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Originally Posted by JoeT
Just did a quick check at Thomann:

1. highest price of the entry-level bunch
2. worst sound (IMHO)
3. worst action (downgraded to two sensors?)
4. worst sustain switch

The Kawai ES110 is still the best deal overall in this segment....60 € cheaper than Casio.

Interesting... here in the U.S. the ES110 is $100 MORE than the Casio, even after the Kawai's recent $100 price drop!

As for worst action, it's subjective, but I think its Kawai/Korg/Yamaha competitors are all 2-sensor as well. And it's not impossible that their new action can be better than their older one, even if they went from 3 to 2 sensors. (There are numerous 2 sensor boards I'd rather play than some 3 sensor boards!)

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Originally Posted by anotherscott
Interesting... here in the U.S. the ES110 is $100 MORE than the Casio, even after the Kawai's recent $100 price drop!

Kawai's pricing in the US is generally higher. How does it fare against P-45, FP-10/30 and the likes?

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As for worst action, it's subjective, but I think its Kawai/Korg/Yamaha competitors are all 2-sensor as well.

Sadly, there is only Roland left with the third sensor in that segment.


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My criteria is which DP from this segment has best serviceable acoustic piano and Rhodes sound. For me it's the Casio.


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Originally Posted by anotherscott
Interesting... here in the U.S. the ES110 is $100 MORE than the Casio, even after the Kawai's recent $100 price drop!

Does that include the price for a proper pedal with half-pedal function for the Casio? With the Kawai, the pedal is included, for the Casio you have to buy it extra, if you want a proper one.


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Interesting... here in the U.S. the ES110 is $100 MORE than the Casio, even after the Kawai's recent $100 price drop!

Does that include the price for a proper pedal with half-pedal function for the Casio? With the Kawai, the pedal is included, for the Casio you have to buy it extra, if you want a proper one.

Casio supports half-pedal function?


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Interesting... here in the U.S. the ES110 is $100 MORE than the Casio, even after the Kawai's recent $100 price drop!

Does that include the price for a proper pedal with half-pedal function for the Casio? With the Kawai, the pedal is included, for the Casio you have to buy it extra, if you want a proper one.

Casio supports half-pedal function?

With the SP-34 pedal.


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Originally Posted by JoeT
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Interesting... here in the U.S. the ES110 is $100 MORE than the Casio, even after the Kawai's recent $100 price drop!

Does that include the price for a proper pedal with half-pedal function for the Casio? With the Kawai, the pedal is included, for the Casio you have to buy it extra, if you want a proper one.

Casio supports half-pedal function?


Are there any DPs that don't? Sadly, not all DPs come with a pedal capable of continuous sensing, but that's another issue.


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Originally Posted by anotherscott
Interesting... here in the U.S. the ES110 is $100 MORE than the Casio, even after the Kawai's recent $100 price drop!

Does that include the price for a proper pedal with half-pedal function for the Casio? With the Kawai, the pedal is included, for the Casio you have to buy it extra, if you want a proper one.

Casio supports half-pedal function?

With the SP-34 pedal.

So that adds back the $100 to the ES110.


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Originally Posted by JoeT
The Kawai ES110 is still the best deal overall in this segment. Best piano sound, better action, optical damper pedal bundled, native MIDI + Bluetooth MIDI, 60 € cheaper than Casio.


I think the Casio wins in this video contest. Listen to the first 30 seconds of each.





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The PX-S3000 is 320 € more expensive than the ES110. Price-wise it competes with Yamaha Arius.


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Originally Posted by JoeT
The PX-S3000 is 320 € more expensive than the ES110. Price-wise it competes with Yamaha Arius.
If someone's in the market for an ES110, the PX-S1000 is the model they should be comparing it to, feature wise and price wise.

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Originally Posted by JoeT
The Kawai ES110 is still the best deal overall in this segment. Best piano sound, better action, optical damper pedal bundled, native MIDI + Bluetooth MIDI, 60 € cheaper than Casio.


I think the Casio wins in this video contest. Listen to the first 30 seconds of each.





Could be the Kraft recording but yeah it's not even close. wink

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I've (pre) ordered the Casio PX-S3000. I'm getting back into the piano from 45 years ago as a child that took lessons on a Knabe Grand in our home.
I've had a couple other electronic keyboards with plastic and springy keys (AKAI and Technics), but I want to go back to learning, and I want to do it correctly. After testing a few other keyboards at a local Guitar Center, I was most impressed with the Ebony/Ivory textured keys (and action) of the other Casio models that were on display.

At $599 and $799 (US) the price points of the Casio PX-S1000/3000, I expect they are targeting precisely my market... Entry level player looking for a life-like action and enough on-board sounds to keep me entertained, without having to take a class on programming the thing. I also look forward to USB-MIDI directly to my computer instead of having to go through my Audio Interface.

I opted to wait for the 3000 for the Mod Wheel, assignable dials, and extra on-board instruments. I'm also extremely pleased that the whole shebang can be powered by 6 AA Batteries... that's great. I expect to run the audio output into my own studio monitors, so the built-in speakers are only a small concern in my choice.

I am anxious for the 3000 to begin shipping, but based on the demonstrations I have seen on YouTube, and the reviews from the early adopters of the PX-S1000, and the $799 price... it was enough for me to make the decision to pre-order without having touched one. Let's face it... this is not a multi-thousand dollar decision.

About the only thing I'm not looking forward to... is keeping the fingerprints off the high gloss surface.

Just my $.02.

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If anyone is struggling with driving vsts with the ps-x1000, running a midi compressor onto the input in your daw to translate the output has restored a lot of dynamic balance for me. I've been struggling to output any message with velocity above 120, but by setting the privia to medium or hard sensitivity and then only accepting velocities of 1-105 and scaling that up to 1-127 has made software vsts more playable. The privia is clearly tuned to the air engine and struggles out of the box transmitting full velocity in my experience so far.

If anyone has other suggestions for improving the dynamic range of the midi output I'd love to hear it!

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Originally Posted by DoogansDad
I've (pre) ordered the Casio PX-S3000. I'm getting back into the piano from 45 years ago as a child that took lessons on a Knabe Grand in our home.
I've had a couple other electronic keyboards with plastic and springy keys (AKAI and Technics), but I want to go back to learning, and I want to do it correctly. After testing a few other keyboards at a local Guitar Center, I was most impressed with the Ebony/Ivory textured keys (and action) of the other Casio models that were on display.

At $599 and $799 (US) the price points of the Casio PX-S1000/3000, I expect they are targeting precisely my market... Entry level player looking for a life-like action and enough on-board sounds to keep me entertained, without having to take a class on programming the thing. I also look forward to USB-MIDI directly to my computer instead of having to go through my Audio Interface.

I opted to wait for the 3000 for the Mod Wheel, assignable dials, and extra on-board instruments. I'm also extremely pleased that the whole shebang can be powered by 6 AA Batteries... that's great. I expect to run the audio output into my own studio monitors, so the built-in speakers are only a small concern in my choice.

I am anxious for the 3000 to begin shipping, but based on the demonstrations I have seen on YouTube, and the reviews from the early adopters of the PX-S1000, and the $799 price... it was enough for me to make the decision to pre-order without having touched one. Let's face it... this is not a multi-thousand dollar decision.

About the only thing I'm not looking forward to... is keeping the fingerprints off the high gloss surface.

Just my $.02.

Jim


Nice to see a complete opposite approach in choosing a new digital piano than I am doing. I am in the same situation as you of going back towards piano playing after many years, but I am trying to test intensively what feels best of all the major brands. You mentioned that you liked the previous models, I suppose you mean the PX (Privia) models, like PX-160,etc..using this 3-sensor v2 mechanism. Everyone has their own preferences, but I thought it was mediocre, more synth like than true piano feel. I hope your gamble of buying without trying will work out, and if you have enough cash lying around, indeed, an easy decision :-)

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See Casio Px-s1000 review : https://youtu.be/xfw3eS2P85s

He is honest about the action being close to previous Px-160. Of course, the sound is improved and as well some functions, but the "new" keybed action is quite close to previous models.

See video comments in which he acknowledgs this

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Originally Posted by FlexHank
See Casio Px-s1000 review : https://youtu.be/xfw3eS2P85s

Why should I waste 15 minutes of my life on a entry level keyboard review, I'm never going to purchase?


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See Casio Px-s1000 review : https://youtu.be/xfw3eS2P85s

Why should I waste 15 minutes of my life on a entry level keyboard review, I'm never going to purchase?


Nobody's making you do that....but aren't you on the PX-S1000/PX-S3000 thread? smile


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Originally Posted by Gombessa
Nobody's making you do that....but aren't you on the PX-S1000/PX-S3000 thread? smile

Of course, but wouldn't be a quick summary in text form nice, so the review can actually be discussed in a forum?


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Originally Posted by JoeT
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Nobody's making you do that....but aren't you on the PX-S1000/PX-S3000 thread? smile

Of course, but wouldn't be a quick summary in text form nice, so the review can actually be discussed in a forum?


Which I did, at least what I took from it, please read my text, but if you don't want to buy entry-level, you should not follow this.

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