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Advices for a first digital Piano
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Hello everyone.

I consider buying a digital piano and start learning piano with it.
I have looked at Thomann website because I am used to it. I have bought several guitars on this website and they usually practise good prices and I was satisfied of the delivery. Do not hesitate to tell me if there are better websites for pianos that can delivery in France or Switzerland smile

First of all, what I want to do.
I don't need a stage piano or a synth., I want to play piano, I don't care about playing other sounds or having different prerecorded rythms. If there are such things, good, if not, no problem for me, only the piano sound is important. Headphones outpout is mandatory. I don't want to annoy my girlfriend at first whistle

An other important thing, my price range.
I would like to spend approximatively 400€ for a set (digital piano + chair + stand). As I see, this is the minimum I have to spend to have a complete set and I am a bit afraid about buying "toys" and to have a bad sound or a bad instrument quality. The goal would be to not change my piano in 6 month because of that ^^.

As long as I saw, Polyphony is really important and I don't have to buy something under 64x. An other important thing is about velocity and weighted keys. Are there other important factors (I see some have hammer keys, some other don't. Is that "important" ?)

Here are pianos set I have found until now. Do you have a preference or advices that may help me choosing ?
I am opened to suggestions of websites or other pianos bundle if you know better things smile

https://www.thomann.de/gb/hemingway_dp_201_mkii_at_set.htm
https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_dp_33_b_set.htm
https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_dp_26_digital_piano_bundle.htm
https://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_sp_320_digital_piano_bundle.htm

Thanks for your help !
Bastien

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You said that you're afraid about buying "toys". Well I'm sorry to say it ... but your budget is much too low.

I could not possibly recommend a Thomann "house-brand" piano.
I could not recommend any piano much under $1000 (or 900 EUR).

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Hi MacMacMac,

Is that mandatory to pay that much at the beginning ? That is quite a lot smirk

I mean, I have seen others piano more expensive and they have tons of sounds, styles, rythmics, LCD, memory, exercice pieces ect ect. (for exemple like this one https://www.thomann.de/gb/casio_px_s1000_bk_privia.htm)
I don't really need all of that. For now, the only thing that interests me is to have a nice piano sound, and to have a nice feeling while taping.

Are there some Digital pianos that regroups these characteristics ? (focusing only on the sound and feeling ?) and that are less expensive because of that ?

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Consider something like the Yamaha P-125. That's the minimum I'd go for in terms of a reasonable keyboard action and piano sound.


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Hey Chevba,

Here's a top three digital piano review list to supplement your decision making.

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Originally Posted by AnthonyPaulO

Here's a top three digital piano review list to supplement your decision making.


Not OP but as someone who's also looking to buy first DP, I quite like his reviews. Thanks!

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Hi everyone,

Thank you for your website Anthony, it helped me a lot !

Well, I have compared some pianos from different brands and I found these three that seems to be really cool :

https://buydigitalpiano.com/kawai-es110-review
https://buydigitalpiano.com/casio-privia-px-160-review
https://buydigitalpiano.com/yamaha-p-125-review

Do anyone of you had the opportunity to try these ? Or if someone actually plays with it ?

Thanks for your answers

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Nothing is mandatory.
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Hi ,
Is that mandatory to pay that much at the beginning ? That is quite a lot.
If it's more than you can afford, then save some money for a while.

Spending on a cheap piano is a waste of money.

The AZ Piano site referenced above by AnthonyPaulO says:
"... the "off brands" out there that generally play and sound like toys or are very artificial in different ways are not ranked in this review because of their inability to sound and play like real pianos."

Instead of buying a no-name, it would be simpler to just take your pile of cash, roll up the bills with tobacco inside, and smoke them as cigars. More satisfying than a cheap piano. And less frustrating. smile

That site also offers some low-priced, brand-name pianos. Have a look.

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Originally Posted by chevba
I have compared some pianos from different brands and I found these three that seems to be really cool :

https://buydigitalpiano.com/kawai-es110-review
https://buydigitalpiano.com/casio-privia-px-160-review
https://buydigitalpiano.com/yamaha-p-125-review

All perfectly good first pianos. You could also look at the Yamaha P45, Casio CDP-S100, and Korg B1.

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Any one of those will be fine.

Until you actually purchase one, the other considerations will continue to come in.

There is literally no end to them and there is no perfect one.

I would suggest picking one and getting on with learning to play.


Don

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You ought to include the Roland FP30 amongst your possibilities; it really is very good value for the money (well, at least I feel that way, and rather strongly too).

https://www.thomann.de/dk/roland_fp_30_bk_home_bundle.htm

(I have no clue whether the bench and headphones it is bundled with here are any good).

A simple little tip, you can study prices (and their developments) for all the different digital pianos on the Idealo website:

www.idealo.de


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Originally Posted by chevba
Hi everyone,

Thank you for your website Anthony, it helped me a lot !

Well, I have compared some pianos from different brands and I found these three that seems to be really cool :

https://buydigitalpiano.com/kawai-es110-review
https://buydigitalpiano.com/casio-privia-px-160-review
https://buydigitalpiano.com/yamaha-p-125-review

Do anyone of you had the opportunity to try these ? Or if someone actually plays with it ?

Thanks for your answers

We own an ES110. Also one at this approximate price point, which you didn't list, well also own a Roland FP30. Of the above 3 and the FP30, I prefer the FP30 for it's slightly better keyboard action. Of the above, I think the ES110 has the nicest sound.


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Any Casio, Kawai, Korg, Roland, or Yamaha that you can afford will be a perfectly good first DP. Buy it, enjoy it, and upgrade when you feel you need it and can afford it.


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Hi Bastien,

For france, consider Woodbrass I bought bothy digitals a guitar and many gears there.

If you live in Paris or can go there, they have also the shop ..

I got px-150 and a Roland fp-30 both for around 500/600.

I liked the Roland more, but they were both fine pianos to start with

Woodbrass is fantastic. I also bought nsome stuff from thomann
And they were good too.

A the best for your search



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I bought a Yamaha P45, it was good enough for me to recognise I wanted to continue with playing the piano, but I upgraded after 10 weeks. I sold the P45 and stand and stool losing about £100 in the process.

I actually feel like it was still the right decision. If I didn’t want to continue that would have been my price of trying it out. If I had spent a lot more and decided I didn’t want to continue after 10 weeks I would probably have lost a lot more with buying and selling.

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The AZ Piano site referenced above by AnthonyPaulO says:
"... the "off brands" out there that generally play and sound like toys or are very artificial in different ways are not ranked in this review because of their inability to sound and play like real pianos."

Exactly, I've seen that too, that is why i totally stop looking at other brands like thomann as you said =)

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Originally Posted by chevba
Do you have a preference or advices that may help me choosing ?

Yes, first don't do spaces in front of punctuation. Second when looking for a piano, stick with the established piano brands (Yamaha and Kawai). Their cheapest offerings actually sound like pianos. Third don't buy a piano online unseen. Test them out.


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Joe, I think the OP is French-speaking. French (in common with several other European languages) has different punctuation rules than English, which include putting a space before punctuation marks such as "?", "!", etc.

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Originally Posted by chevba
Do you have a preference or advices that may help me choosing ?

Yes, first don't do spaces in front of punctuation. Second when looking for a piano, stick with the established piano brands (Yamaha and Kawai). Their cheapest offerings actually sound like pianos. Third don't buy a piano online unseen. Test them out.


I would add Roland, Casio and Korg. The last one I did not test...

All the entry level are similar in my opinion I would just look for the best option.

They will all serve well to start. Sound might not be the best at the level of speakers...
But you could upgrade with monitors and maybe vst alon the way.

They are often sold in bundle With stand seat and headphones...



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