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Re: Musicality in relation to the quality of the piano
baudelairepianist #2834424 04/02/19 03:02 PM
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Where do you get this standard from?
frame of reference

Why does it have to go further than "subjectivity"? Are you trying to win a popularity contest?
I was pointing out why some people think Horowitz was better than today's competition winners who are mostly asian

Or, are you saying that you don't have a definition of musicality, but the "authority" can recognize it when they see it, so you're going to pass the buck to them?
I defined it as a combination
alas there has to be an agreed upon standard otherwise you devolve into post-modernist cultural Marxism lol

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baudelairepianist #2834426 04/02/19 03:10 PM
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I think Horowitz said that piano is subjective, but it doesn't take long to hear when someone is getting it all wrong. 😁

(Not to imply anything, of course. 😁)


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Thank you, but I've seen all those videos including some of the masterclasses on youtube.
The biggest problem I have is in practicing and producing the ideal sound which I admit I still lack experience but after getting to try a better instrument I realized that the quality of the piano I had access to was a major limit for developing musicality.

Pedal ~ inconsistent response with no gradient
Touch ~ inconsistent key weight with a slow return mechanism preventing fast tempo especially on repeated notes
Dynamics ~ limited register such that the lightest touch is still forte

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Dotted quaver , semiquaver over a triplet bade end of bar 3

And

Quavers over a triplet bade end of bar 2

Are not the same rhythm

you are playing the same rhythm - now played wrong 5 times .

Please don’t ignore me.

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You can’t speak our language , you speak in code that only you speak and you won’t learn our lingo - it’s not working !

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Originally Posted by Moo :)
[...]semiquaver over a triplet bade end of bar 3 [...]

[...]Quavers over a triplet bade end of bar 2

[...]


"triplet bade"? "bade" is a word I don't recognize; what are you saying? Do you mean bass?

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Yes I meant to say base but it’s a typo (should it be bass not base then?).

I’m on my iphone.

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But Bruce I don’t think James understands these names.

Not sure we can communicate, I don’t speak his code and he doesn’t understand ours.

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It's not exact to the score since i'm using a midi and my own interpretation from those notes though looking closer I realize that I need to add musicality practice at the fragment stage instead of waiting till a section since I overlooked some details ...though I prefer my version even if it's "incorrect".

Next time i'll use the "correct" version but in the end none if it matters since ...we're just dust in the wind.

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Using a midi ? What’s a midi ?

Chopin did change his score but I like it my way it’s again sounds like a silly to me.

For background interest, I have struggled more than others to get Chopin musical.

I had lessons for 10 years as a kid. Many years later I’ve had several or so more years lessons as an adult.

I’m able to do it much better now after much teaching and practice. The tone and control takes a long time.

I can control different pianos, perhaps you cannot, but this takes time and experience.

I would try not to stress on this concept of musical anymore. It seems a very pointless exercise.

As you said, dust to the wind.

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Originally Posted by Moo :)
(should it be bass not base then?).

Yes, bass, but pronounced like base.

base = a location, foundation, etc.
bass (pronounced like base) = music instrument, register, etc.
bass (rhymes with brass) = a fish smile

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Originally Posted by Moo :)
Yes I meant to say base but it’s a typo (should it be bass not base then?).

I’m on my iphone.


Yes; it's bass.

Another three-word post and I up my post count! Shameless!


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baudelairepianist #2834544 04/02/19 07:26 PM
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Hi James,

You can actually go to your local piano dealers, try out some quality pianos and do some recording there while you are trying out pianos.

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baudelairepianist #2834557 04/02/19 08:17 PM
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As someone already pointed out earlier, there are still rhythmic errors..the 4 against 3 is not correct in the first measure...all 4 pianos played have the same mistakes and robotic like quality. Playing on a Steinway grand isnt going to hide this. Hearing all 4 pianos, I like 1 the best and 4 the least..


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If you are looking for the code of musicality in playing, it consists of dynamics, balance and timing. Shaping and phrasing music is done by these means. And you have to work with timing to make your playing sound better as already mentioned. It is a lot easier to understand and get right the rhythmic stucture of a piece from the notation imo. After you do, you add tiny variations as you would in speech or singing and other people will perceive it as musical playing. It's that simple wink

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baudelairepianist #2834996 04/03/19 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by baudelairepianist

Or, are you saying that you don't have a definition of musicality, but the "authority" can recognize it when they see it, so you're going to pass the buck to them?
I defined it as a combination
alas there has to be an agreed upon standard otherwise you devolve into post-modernist cultural Marxism lol


Or, you can take on the responsibility to define the standard for yourself, based on whatever it is you are trying to achieve. No post-modernism required.

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