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Re: Affording a grand piano?
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Just drink the coffee. Coffee always make one feel better !

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Any interesting tidbit - so I've been reading John Suchett's outstanding and addictive biography on Beethoven - he mentions that Beethoven once received a complimentary grand piano, from either Graff or Erard, I can't recall, and that his creativity soonafter surged - leading to his composition of a new sonata- I believe the HammerKlavier.....


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am 58 and have been taking lessons the last 5 years as a hobby after completing a PhD.


You got your PhD at age 53? I thought my friend had it rough taking 6 years to get his PhD in Chemistry!


I started my PhD in music theory in 2000. I'm now 53. I haven't really worked on it since 2003... grin I did another degree in the meantime though...

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am 58 and have been taking lessons the last 5 years as a hobby after completing a PhD.


You got your PhD at age 53? I thought my friend had it rough taking 6 years to get his PhD in Chemistry!


I started my PhD in music theory in 2000. I'm now 53. I haven't really worked on it since 2003... grin I did another degree in the meantime though...

Johnstaf, You also sound like quite a pianist as well ! (playing Schumann sonatas !)

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Johnstaff, I found I like music theory. I had taken for two and a half years private theory lessons and then a couple of summers jazz theory, not in an academic setting. I never realized there was so much involved in music. I had taken 10 years violin and 5 piano as a child. However, I am better with the academics of music than the skill of actually playing. Especially in front of people, I forget everything I know. I can speak in front of 100 people, but have a hard time playing piano for one. My PhD is in nursing education.

My first piano teacher had a BA from Oberlin and a MA for the New England Conservatory of Music. He then went into computer science to get a good job.


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Originally Posted by Lady Bird

Johnstaf, You also sound like quite a pianist as well ! (playing Schumann sonatas !)


That's very kind of you Lady Bird! Thank you.

I have to take a break for a couple of weeks. How fortunate to be in good health and to have my piano waiting for me!

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Johnstaff, I found I like music theory. I had taken for two and a half years private theory lessons and then a couple of summers jazz theory, not in an academic setting. I never realized there was so much involved in music. I had taken 10 years violin and 5 piano as a child. However, I am better with the academics of music than the skill of actually playing. Especially in front of people, I forget everything I know. I can speak in front of 100 people, but have a hard time playing piano for one. My PhD is in nursing education.

My first piano teacher had a BA from Oberlin and a MA for the New England Conservatory of Music. He then went into computer science to get a good job.


I think in time, the theoretical side helps playing. It can take a while though...

I was talking to a student nurse during the week, and was fascinated by the ins and outs of nursing. It seems like a lot of study.

So many people with music degrees do something else after college. One person I know retrained as a midwife immediately after she finished studying music. Another did medicine, someone else did computers, others became schoolteachers etc.

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Johnstaf, I coordinate a paid government Veterans health Administration (VHA) nurse internship program (over the summer) for senior students pursuing a BS in nursing. It is a competitive appointment because it is a paid. Last year 2 of the 3 applicants that were selected had masters degrees. One had a masters in agriculture and education and was a teacher, the other has a masters in geology taught and did field work. Surprisingly the pay was low for both. These applicants will start out making more as a new graduate nurse than with the years of experience in their professions. Both of those applicants are about 40 years old. I have read and heard about 50% failure rates of those that start nursing school and do not pass. I know for my PhD, 12 people were accepted into the program and 6 people ended up with their PhD. The dissertation phase is where most leave the program. My piano teacher now is master's prepared, he graduated at 23 and is now 27 and is looking to go back to school to obtain a degree for more job stability.


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My philosophy is to live debt free. I have saved and lived below my means my whole life, and have not one monthly payment. It’s refreshing. You don’t have to worry, or to overbill, or do the wrong thing for money, be it profesionally or otherwise like so many do.

That said it took me many years of study and work to afford the things I like. Still, I live below my means. My car (although expensive to start) is now 7 years old and I just I bought a 101 year old piano for 25% of the price of a new one.

Not having to worry makes me happy!

So Scott, be patient and live below your means! And read The Millionaire Next Door.


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CMB and Scottgreen94, I read The Millionaire Next Door several times. I liked the passage (I think it is from that book) where the millionaires go to a high end party and the server asked what type of beer this millionaire wanted. He said first I drink what is free and then Bud. My Honda CVR is 11 years old with 230,000. This was only the second new car I had my entire life. Never had a car payment since my mid 30s, My husband and I don't value cars, but if I need one (when it dies) I can buy another one cash. I have been in school most of my life and worked 2 and 3 jobs and overtime most of my nursing career while going to school. I funded 2 masters degrees and a PhD I am debt free. I also live well below my means. Scottgreen, there is a book the Total Money Makeover by Dave Ramsey and a new book out this past January by Chris Hogan with Dave Ramsey Everyday Millionaires.

Be patient, invest in yourself, stay out of debt. Living like CMB suggested you will one day get what you want.


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Deb and I have so much in common!


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Deb and I have so much in common!

So impressed you and Deb are both mortgage-free. I wonder what percentage of American's that own homes can true say that they are debt-free? Two big thumbs up - one for each of you! thumb thumb


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Deb and I have so much in common!

So impressed you and Deb are both mortgage-free. I wonder what percentage of American's that own homes can true say that they are debt-free? Two big thumbs up - one for each of you! thumb thumb

I also applaud those that are able to live debt free. We were debt free homeowners by the time we were 30 and owe it all to my late father-in law. He encouraged us to buy a home soon after getting married and cosigned for us with the promise that we would never borrow against our equity and always roll over all monies to a new home when we moved. Fortunately this was during the 1970's in SoCal when homes were rapidly appreciating and I had the ability to rehab them. After 3 houses we sold out and moved to the sticks and paid cash for our house. This instilled a desire to never be in debt and we have been blessed enough to stay that way.

Back on topic, If you can keep debt to a minimum you'll be more likely to be able to afford that grand someday. I didn't get my dream grand until I was 71 but I enjoy it immensely and God willing, I will for many years and pass it on to my kids, grandkids or great grandkids. All that interest I saved over the last 40 years, paid for it many times over.

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Similar story to several above. I have a friend who is a professional pianist. He has a PhD in music from Stanford and is an excellent accompanist. However, after a decade trying to make a living as a professional pianist, he went back to a local community college to become trained in computer science and had a 25 year career in that field, working for a bank in their IT department before retiring a few years ago. All the while he continued to accompany performers, mostly local students, but on a part time basis. He still does. But he couldn't and can't make a viable income from music.


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Astrotoy, it is sad that people cannot make it in music. A person could become a RN, accountant, engineer in basically 4 years of college. A person can't get in a music program with no prior training, generally from being a young child. These people dedicate most of their life to getting in school and playing music. Who does not like a great musical. I love the arts and my husband and I frequently go to plays from Broadway to supporting the local community arts. It is unfortunate musicians have a difficult time and have to go into other fields. They are truly underappreciated.

Last night we went to an Indian Restaurant, a pianist was playing dinner music. Really good pianist. Interesting I did not see any tips in the jar or while we were there people walk up and give the man a tip. We got there at 6p and left about 7:45p. The music went to 8:30p. My husband an I tipped him $50.

This is an interesting read Inside A symphony Audition.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/entertainment/music/2015/11/24/inside-symphony-audition/75478764/


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Deb was he playing Indian styled music? I love Indian food - had some this Friday night. Our local place is great but they don’t have a piano - not many restaurants here so. Nice generous thing of you to tip that much!


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I see a lot of people have grand pianos on this forum. How do people pay for their grand pianos. Do you have an extra 20 grand lying around or do you take it out on a loan or finance it?

If you have one what do you have and how did you pay it? At what age did you buy it. I’m 25 and live with my parents so I’m going to wait a few years until I have my own house.

I bought my first new upright piano at about 26 yo. My first grand was after all my children had finished school and university - and the house was paid off. My 2nd (current) grand, I bought when I retired from working for ~42 years.

Don't expect it tomorrow - but in the meantime, don't waste money on takeaway coffee or food, excessive entertainment, take budget holidays and don't waste $$ on drink etc.


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Deb, thanks for the audition article. We know a young woman who studied violin along side my daughter in Suzuki classes starting when they were both 5 years old. They both continued through high school in the local youth orchestra. She went on to a major conservatory, switching to viola. She is now 40. She is a gifted musician and has held year long substitute positions with both the Boston Symphony and San Francisco Symphony but when the auditions came for actual positions she didn't get either job. She currently plays in a regional orchestra and some local chamber music groups. We talked about her with several members of the SF Symphony and they all said she was a wonderful musician and really nice person. But the competition is super tough.


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The piano market is really a buyer's market, especially on the used side. I think, like any other major purchase in life, it's all about what's important to you and your personal priorities within your means. One might be able to afford some type of grand piano. If not a brand new one, then one can probably find a used one in some condition that they can afford. We have a large dealer in our area that stocks all kinds of pianos at all price points. They have new concert-ready concert grands on the floor for $180+k, and then they have small, used stencil brands for under $5k. Recently, I saw a nice 1960's Baldwin M or R Artist Grand (under 6 ft) for around $6k.. The black satin case was showing it's age, so it might not have looked too good in the living room of an upscale home, but it sounded pretty good for it's age . It needed a little regulation and voicing, but it was in decent shape.

I never thought I could afford a nice grand until I stumbled into the deal on mine. But now that I'm paying more attention, I realize that there are really a lot of great options out there on pianos if you're patient and willing to order your priorities in a piano and focus on your top of your list.

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