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Initial thoughts on my P515 #2833118
03/30/19 05:03 PM
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I’ve had my P515 for a little over 24h now, and put in a few hours of playing time on it, so I thought I’d share a few thoughts on it, in no particular order.

Compared with my previous DGX600, the action is just spectacularly better! I can get proper control over dynamics on the P515, whereas on the DGX vaguely loud or soft was pretty much as precise as it got. It’s a lighter key action with a much more rapid return.

The sound of the CFX Concert Grand (the default sound at power-on) is absolutely beautiful - I love it; it has an almost bell-like quality to it. The Bösendorfer, on the other hand, sounds a little odd to me. I know it’s crazy to say it about a DP, but it almost sounds out of tune (which I know it obviously can’t be!). If, for example, I play a “C” and an “E” together, then on the CFX it’s a lovely melodious sound, but on the Bösendorfer it sounds a little discordant, which is weird! I’m definitely going to be using the CFX most of the time for my playing.

One thing I hadn’t expected to make much of a difference to the feel, and have been pleasantly surprised by, is the synthetic ivory keytops. It’s a lot “grippier” an the slippery plastic keys of the DGX and makes for much more precise playing.

The P515 has obviously been designed from the ground up as a performance instrument rather than a “tech toy” as the DGX is. It has far fewer features than the DGX, but they’re arranged far more ergonomically. On the DGX, for example, to select a different voice you press the “Voice” button and then either scroll through a list of literally hundreds of voices, or type in a voice number directly. On the 515 you have separate buttons for each of the instrument categories (Piano, E-Piano, Organ, Strings, etc) and pressing the button takes you straight to whatever voice in that category you last used, so changing voices is way quicker.

It’s just a generally higher-quality instrument all round, and that shows in all sorts of ways. Eg the music rest on the DGX is a rather cheap-looking piece of injection-moulded plastic, but on the 515 it’s an attractive metal and polycarbonate construction.

A really nice instrument. It’s essentially a Clavinova CLP-645 minus the “furniture” at two thirds the price of the CLP-645. I’m absolutely delighted with it.


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Re: Initial thoughts on my P515 [Re: Cheshire Chris] #2833126
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Congratz! How good do you find CFX Binaural sampling compared to "regular", so to say? Some chords and intervals sound dissonant to me in binaural.
Gotta agree about Bösendorfer, it sounds kind of deafly, though if you increase touch sensitivity (try Soft 1 or Soft 2) and raise voice volume and master volume a bit, it gets better, but still no comparison to CFX.


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Re: Initial thoughts on my P515 [Re: Cheshire Chris] #2833129
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I agree - I prefer the sound of the CFX through the speakers compared to the headphones.

Thanks for the tips about improving the Bösendorfer sound; I’ll have to experiment with that.


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Re: Initial thoughts on my P515 [Re: Cheshire Chris] #2833143
03/30/19 06:24 PM
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Yes, the action on this one is far superior. Very far.
Originally Posted by Cheshire Chris
Compared with my previous DGX600, the action is just spectacularly better! I can get proper control over dynamics on the P515, whereas on the DGX vaguely loud or soft was pretty much as precise as it got. It’s a lighter key action with a much more rapid return.

It seems eveyone complains about the Yammie Clavie Bosie.
Originally Posted by Cheshire Chris
The Bösendorfer sounds a little odd to me. I know it’s crazy to say it about a DP, but it almost sounds out of tune (which I know it obviously can’t be!). If, for example, I play a “C” and an “E” together, then on the CFX it’s a lovely melodious sound, but on the Bösendorfer it sounds a little discordant, which is weird! I’m definitely going to be using the CFX most of the time for my playing.

Re: Initial thoughts on my P515 [Re: Cheshire Chris] #2833152
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Bit of a dirty trick from Yamaha; first they take over the most highly valued brand after Steinway, and then they trash it on their dps! Nice one. Not . . . .
Glad you're liking the 515, however. Wouldn't mind betting Pianoteq will sound and play very well on that . . . . smile

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Re: Initial thoughts on my P515 [Re: Cheshire Chris] #2833188
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I like the Bosey on my P-515.

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Re: Initial thoughts on my P515 [Re: sullivang] #2833226
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Originally Posted by sullivang
I like the Bosey on my P-515.

Greg

Oh . . .


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Re: Initial thoughts on my P515 [Re: Cheshire Chris] #2833254
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But.....there's always a but.....I think I hear what some people find objectionable. Call me crazy, but I hear a sound which is a bit like a steel drum. I think it's funky, even if it happens to be not authentic. I haven't yet tried to see whether I can edit this out.

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Re: Initial thoughts on my P515 [Re: sullivang] #2833315
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Originally Posted by sullivang
But.....there's always a but.....I think I hear what some people find objectionable. Call me crazy, but I hear a sound which is a bit like a steel drum. I think it's funky, even if it happens to be not authentic. I haven't yet tried to see whether I can edit this out.

Greg.


You mean in the Bosendorfer sound?

(Congratulations on your new piano, Chris!)


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Re: Initial thoughts on my P515 [Re: sullivang] #2833317
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Originally Posted by sullivang
Call me crazy, but I hear a sound which is a bit like a steel drum.

Are you sure it’s not a bongo? wink

Re: Initial thoughts on my P515 [Re: Cheshire Chris] #2833369
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Welcome to the P-515 club, Chris. smile


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Re: Initial thoughts on my P515 [Re: JoBert] #2833386
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Originally Posted by JoBert
Originally Posted by sullivang
Call me crazy, but I hear a sound which is a bit like a steel drum.

Are you sure it’s not a bongo? wink

This is a Yamaha. Bongos are a Roland issue. cry

Re: Initial thoughts on my P515 [Re: JoBert] #2833503
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Originally Posted by JoBert
Originally Posted by sullivang
Call me crazy, but I hear a sound which is a bit like a steel drum.

Are you sure it’s not a bongo? wink


Was waiting for this!


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Re: Initial thoughts on my P515 [Re: peterws] #2833668
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Originally Posted by peterws
Originally Posted by JoBert
Originally Posted by sullivang
Call me crazy, but I hear a sound which is a bit like a steel drum.

Are you sure it’s not a bongo? wink


Was waiting for this!

Was entirely my fault earlier for shoehorning the word "drum" on this piano forum. Apologies. blush
Soooo...topicwise: yada yada yada piano yada P515 yada yada.
There--back on topic. cool

Re: Initial thoughts on my P515 [Re: sullivang] #2833722
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I wonder whether "I don't like the Bosie on these Yamaha digitals" really means "I don't like the Bosie sound".

The Bosendorfer sound is very different from the Steinway or Yamaha sound that people are (I think) more familiar with.
Originally Posted by sullivang
I like the Bosey on my P-515.
I, too, like the Bosie sound. I've not yet heard in on the Clavs ... but I like it in the Ivory VST.

Re: Initial thoughts on my P515 [Re: MacMacMac] #2833757
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I wonder whether "I don't like the Bosie on these Yamaha digitals" really means "I don't like the Bosie sound".

The Bosendorfer sound is very different from the Steinway or Yamaha sound that people are (I think) more familiar with.
Originally Posted by sullivang
I like the Bosey on my P-515.
I, too, like the Bosie sound. I've not yet heard in on the Clavs ... but I like it in the Ivory VST.


Mac - what Darkwasp said above rings true to me:
"Gotta agree about Bösendorfer, it sounds kind of deafly, though if you increase touch sensitivity (try Soft 1 or Soft 2) and raise voice volume and master volume a bit, it gets better, but still no comparison to CFX"

For me, deafly means muted - almost as if the entire soundboard was wrapped with a piece of cloth (it maybe that is how the Bosendorfer sounds - never had the pleasure to hear one in person but it certainly does not sound like it does on the P515 when you check out videos on YT).

Saying that, again, referring to Darkwasp's suggestion above, changing the touch to a soft 2 (down a notch from medium) seems to bring it out a little and although still sounds warm does not have that muted tied down in a straight-jacket sound.

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Is it Bosie, Bosey, or Bossy? This is really bothering me, you guys!

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Originally Posted by Pete14
Is it Bosie, Bosey, or Bossy? This is really bothering me, you guys!

The correct diminutive is Bösi (or Boesi). Without e, y and with the correct o-umlaut - either written as ö or oe. O is a different vowel!


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Re: Initial thoughts on my P515 [Re: JoeT] #2833787
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Originally Posted by JoeT
Originally Posted by Pete14
Is it Bosie, Bosey, or Bossy? This is really bothering me, you guys!

The correct diminutive is Bösi (or Boesi). Without e, y and with the correct o-umlaut - either written as ö or oe. O is a different vowel!


I just call it the Evil Villager. The english for german böse is evil or bad, and the english for dorf is village.


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Originally Posted by KevinM
I just call it the Evil Villager. The english for german böse is evil or bad, and the english for dorf is village.

The original meaning of the name might just mean "angry, mad, infuriated" without the moral connotation of "evil". wink


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