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Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000
Tyrone Slothrop #2831549 03/26/19 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Well, you could buy one and show us such a demo wink

I'm not an advanced pianist who can anything make work on anything.

I just suggested someone really good at piano providing an example of a convincing interpretation of something like Bach's Inventions and Sinfonias on an entry level keyboard (like Casio's new PX-S series) while playing near fallboard with no pedal at slow tempo.

Not the usual hurricane of fortissimo notes with the pedal down all the way.


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Finally got a chance to try out the px-s1000.
Compare to the px160 side by side, the s1000 keys are heavier, less bounce, quicker response, and lot quieter (Which I preferred). The ivory key spread out evenly on black and white keys on the s1000, feel less plasticky, where some keyboard has different feel between the black and white keys.
Sound wise, it sounds very different than the px160. partially because the speaker position. the s1000 sounded more 'surround', but also can be kinda muffled from having rear facing speaker with small front facing speaker grill instead of upward facing on the px160. Not an expert at the sound engine, but the s1000 piano sample one sounds nicer to my ear than the px160.
Now compare to the roland, I can only compare to the f140r that the other piano store across the street has (which I read its same keys with different body than the fp30). Surprisingly they kinda feels similar. I like both being heavier than yamaha's, and kawai es110. The s1000 feel it has less bounce than the f140r.
The key does get little harder to press when its close to the fall board (about 0.5 inch / 1.5 cm or so), which still playable, you probably won't get that close if you played an upright piano with a straight up fallboard anyway.
My intent purpose is for practicing at home in a small space. The s1000 music stand sticks out quite a lot. Would had been nice if it was just a little rail to mount a music stand like the fp30.

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Thanks, Gary. I love my PX-160, but I'm definitely wondering what my next purchase will be, and the PX-S1000 is certainly a contender. Hopefully I'll get a chance to try one out myself before too long.


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Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000
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Originally Posted by gary93
The key does get little harder to press when its close to the fall board (about 0.5 inch / 1.5 cm or so), which still playable, you probably won't get that close if you played an upright piano with a straight up fallboard anyway.

I have to use the full length of any piano keys, because my inside fingers are long and my outside fingers are short, so once the thumb goes on a black key, the others are at the fallboard.

Upright piano actions are perfectly playable anywhere on the keys. It's digital piano actions, which have issues with their minuscule key travel and totally unrealistic leverage.


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Originally Posted by JoeT
I have to use the full length of any piano keys, because my inside fingers are long and my outside fingers are short, so once the thumb goes on a black key, the others are at the fallboard.

Upright piano actions are perfectly playable anywhere on the keys. It's digital piano actions, which have issues with their minuscule key travel and totally unrealistic leverage.


It probably not as good of an action for you if you do play close to the top. I had learn to avoid ( tilt my hands slightly ) playing that far up cause I had bang my fingers onto the fallboard ( like running into a wall ) on some upright where the fallboard is straight up from the end of the keys.

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Originally Posted by gary93
It probably not as good of an action for you if you do play close to the top. I had learn to avoid ( tilt my hands slightly ) playing that far up cause I had bang my fingers onto the fallboard ( like running into a wall ) on some upright where the fallboard is straight up from the end of the keys.

My options are somewhat limited, because of my hand span. When I have to stretch for sharp/flat octaves, the other fingers (already rounded) have to go somewhere, so sometimes I have to play right at the felt.

Though I never encountered an acoustic piano, where pivot length was a problem for me. Even the shortest actions work just fine, when properly weighted and regulated.

The main problem is, that some cheap digital actions are simply a sham: They all emulate acoustic piano key length, but only in an visual manner. Their real "fallboard" is much further to the front and the usable key length is sometimes as short as this:

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That's the reason, why pivot length is a recurring topic in the digital forums, while almost nobody with APs talks about it, and why I asked for demonstrations playing easy polyphonic pieces legato in a convincing manner. Banging the keys with the pedal down works well on any action, even the Reface CP you see above.


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Originally Posted by JoeT
Banging the keys with the pedal down works well on any action

Pedal up or down should make no difference.

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Originally Posted by JoeT
Banging the keys with the pedal down works well on any action

Pedal up or down should make no difference.

Pedal down hides deficiencies in legato playing (how well does it work at the fallboard?) and the tone generator as well.

Playing staccato while connecting everything with pedal demonstrates nothing.


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Originally Posted by JoeT

Pedal down hides deficiencies in legato playing (how well does it work at the fallboard?)

I was thinking of control of Note On events, but yes, pedal could mask the handling of Note Off events.

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Just got the PX-S1000 and tried it out by playing "Somebody To Love" (Queen) on it. It sounds completely different than previous Privia models. The lower register has an amazing deep, rich sound to it! As Casio said, everything about this board is new (new case/chassis, new key action, new samples, new interface, etc). The key action on this is absolutely amazing for a board with such a short depth! I'll do a full and proper review on it as soon as I become 100% familiarized with it.

In the meantime, check out the sound in my video:

Somebody To Love (Queen) - Piano Cover on PX-S1000


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Been waiting for this, thanks Chuck, and will look forward to your full review. I would appreciate if you could highlight some differences in keybed actions, for instance in comparison to Roland FP-30, or the keybeds in px-160/360/560,etc...

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Originally Posted by PianoManChuck
Just got the PX-S1000 and tried it out by playing "Somebody To Love" (Queen) on it. It sounds completely different than previous Privia models. The lower register has an amazing deep, rich sound to it! As Casio said, everything about this board is new (new case/chassis, new key action, new samples, new interface, etc). The key action on this is absolutely amazing for a board with such a short depth! I'll do a full and proper review on it as soon as I become 100% familiarized with it.

In the meantime, check out the sound in my video:

Somebody To Love (Queen) - Piano Cover on PX-S1000

Saw your video within an hour of posting. Thank you very much for the sound review.
I'm holding out for the PX-S3000 when it begins shipping.

Jim

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Originally Posted by brooster

Thumbs up for using microphones. This is the correct way to review digital pianos with built-in speakers. Only stage pianos should be recorded using their Line Outputs.


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Originally Posted by JoeT

Thumbs up for using microphones. This is the correct way to review digital pianos with built-in speakers. Only stage pianos should be recorded using their Line Outputs.

Line Out recordings on DPs with speakers are useful too. Just because a board has speakers, that doesn't mean that will be the main way someone hears their piano. Many more often use headphones or external amplification, even if they like also having the option of the built-in speakers sometimes.

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