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If only they sold a gadget that would play the instrument as well for me....Think of how much time it would save!
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They did a century ago (the player piano) and they do today (Disklavier and the like for acoustic pianos, and MIDI player software for digital pianos). If only they sold a gadget that would play the instrument as well for me....Think of how much time it would save!
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I was thinking how I can build one out of wood and paint it gloss black. I can put felt on the contact points and it would probably cost less than 20 dollars.
My thoughts exactly (especially the felt to protect the finish). And I think adjustments can be made to account for the non-adjustable nature of the music rests on the NV10/N1X so that it's not quite as slanted back. Great idea. There's a Tap Plastics near me where I've had a clear plastic slanted table top desk made for calligraphy/lettering for about $16. I'm sure they'd be able to make one that would work for a music stand extension for less than or close to $20, at whatever size I'd like. I'm fairly short and am a little concerned about the height of the music stands on the N1X/NV10, which are the two I'm considering for upgrade. If you guys make yours, please post pictures!
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Can I make one from cardboard? Or does it have to be reinforced ABS (otherwise known as plastic)?
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The Yamaha Hybrid pianos sounds much better live than recorded and played back here and on youtube etc. I think the psychoacoustic experience when playing on it yourself live makes you believe it is the real deal. That is a good thing, I do not want to say that the Hybrids are bad, just that when recorded, no matter what, it is so obvious that it is not the real deal, it is very uninspiring and quite boring to listen to. My point? Those who buy these hybrids get all the benefits! and do not suffer from the boring and uninspiring experience as listeners do. And for the majority who buys these, I believe it is for her self and not her surroundings. :-)
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The Yamaha Hybrid pianos sounds much better live than recorded and played back here and on youtube etc. I think the psychoacoustic experience when playing on it yourself live makes you believe it is the real deal. That is a good thing, I do not want to say that the Hybrids are bad, just that when recorded, no matter what, it is so obvious that it is not the real deal, it is very uninspiring and quite boring to listen to. My point? Those who buy these hybrids get all the benefits! and do not suffer from the boring and uninspiring experience as listeners do. And for the majority who buys these, I believe it is for her self and not her surroundings. :-) I tend to agree. Listening to my recording above is not comparable to how I feel behind the piano even in that particular case with headphones and binaural sound. And then it’s even better when playing on speakers. These are instruments for having a love affair with 
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Does 'familiarization" for a single evening include memorization? Because am I seeing wrong that you are playing without a score on your music rest? Count me impressed!  The N1X is a grand piano form-factor, the scores are a bit high, they are not visible in the video  BTW, that's a point I'm still deciding whether a cons or a pros. The higher positioning of the note rest is good for me since I'm relatively tall and so the scores are in front of my eyes. On the other hand I need to sometimes look at my fingers and that makes it difficult to move my head constantly up and down  I had the same issue when I got the NV10. You'll get used to it and it will then feel absolutely normal. Looking up/down between score and fingers won't be a problem either. Well, at least that's how it was for me... Ok, I understand that the music rest on an cabinet DP or on a grand stands higher than on an upright. The following are the height values I got from the specs: - Kawai CA97: 92.5 cm - Kawai CA98: 94.0 cm - Kawai NV10: 92.5 cm - Yamaha CLP 685: 102cm - Yamaha CLP 675: 97 cm - Yamaha CLP 665: 93 cm - Yamaha N1X: 100 cm - Yamaha CX (acoustic grand): 101 cm (103 cm on the CX 6/7) - Kawai GL/GX (acoustic grand): 102 cm These height values should roughly correspond to the position of the bottom of the music rest. So, the music rest on the NV10 should be the same height as on the CA97 and 1.5cm lower than on the CA98. On the N1X it sits 2cm lower than on the CLP685 and slightly higher than on other CLP models. The N1X has roughly the same height as an acoustic grand while the NV10 is ca. 10 cm lower. Given this, I was surprised to learn than my teacher's grand should be "only" 7 cm higher than my CA98 since the music rest feels uncomfortably much higher than that. I am also confused by JoBert's comment since the music rest on the NV10 should be at exactly the same height as on his previous CA97 (Jobert: were you referring to upright vs NV10?) I would also expect the height of the keyboard/keys to the floor to be the same on all these instruments, which would mean that the bench height would not be a factor. So, could the NV10 and N1X owners measure the actual height of the music rest?
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Ok, I understand that the music rest on an cabinet DP or on a grand stands higher than on an upright. The following are the height values I got from the specs: - Kawai CA97: 92.5 cm - Kawai CA98: 94.0 cm - Kawai NV10: 92.5 cm
- Yamaha CLP 685: 102cm - Yamaha CLP 675: 97 cm - Yamaha CLP 665: 93 cm - Yamaha N1X: 100 cm
I find the figure for the NV10 very hard to believe. To my eye it is clearly the higher than the CA98 etc and roughly the same as the N1X. I seem to remember the overall height of the N1X and NV10 is very close
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Ok, I understand that the music rest on an cabinet DP or on a grand stands higher than on an upright. The following are the height values I got from the specs: - Kawai CA97: 92.5 cm - Kawai CA98: 94.0 cm - Kawai NV10: 92.5 cm
- Yamaha CLP 685: 102cm - Yamaha CLP 675: 97 cm - Yamaha CLP 665: 93 cm - Yamaha N1X: 100 cm
I find the figure for the NV10 very hard to believe. To my eye it is clearly the higher than the CA98 etc and roughly the same as the N1X. I seem to remember the overall height of the N1X and NV10 is very close The specs may be wrong but those are the official numbers. And that is exactly why I am confused :-) ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/ldZHzAp.png) ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/GuvUBo8.png)
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Isn't the "bottom of the music rest" lower than the "top of the piano"? It's maybe two inches lower on my CLP240. SEE HEREIt was about a foot lower on my Kawai upright. SEE HERESo I think "top of the piano" is not a useful reference point, eh?
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Isn't the "bottom of the music rest" lower than the "top of the piano"? It's maybe two inches lower on my CLP240. SEE HEREIt was about a foot lower on my Kawai upright. SEE HERESo I think "top of the piano" is not a useful reference point, eh? Depends on the instrument. If the music rest is placed like on an upright, i.e. on the fallboard, then you are right: the height of the instrument says nothing about the position of the rest. But on all the instruments we were discussing (Kawai CA97, 98, NV10, Yamaha CLP 600, N1X) the music rest in not on the fallboard but mounted on the top of the DP. This means that the bottom of the music rest should at the same height as the top of the DP (plus maybe 1-2 cm). The same reasoning applies to the height of the rest on an acoustic grand. Check the next picture with a CA97, NV10, CLP675 and N1X. ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/Xm229k1.png)
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High up is a good place for the music stand. Especially for taller people, like me. Especially for people with degenerating disks, like me.
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Ok, I understand that the music rest on an cabinet DP or on a grand stands higher than on an upright. The following are the height values I got from the specs: - Kawai CA97: 92.5 cm - Kawai CA98: 94.0 cm - Kawai NV10: 92.5 cm ... So, could the NV10 and N1X owners measure the actual height of the music rest? It's a mistake in the specs (a remnant from the CA97 specs?). My NV10 is 97cm high, without the music rest. The bottom of the music rest, i.e. that part that the book/tablet actually sits on, adds another 1-1.5cm (because it's slanted).
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You all talking about 2-3cm differences  Here's what I'm deailng with: NV10: (about 9-10" high off the white keys, about 12" back from the front of the piano) ![[Linked Image]](https://imgur.com/Lyqw9eJ.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](https://imgur.com/8jR3i9J.jpg) U3: (about 4" high off the white keys, about 6" back from the front of the piano) ![[Linked Image]](https://imgur.com/CfiP4Mb.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](https://imgur.com/nZkEX4s.jpg) That's a huge difference in terms of adjusting your focus and attention between score and keys/fingers.
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You all talking about 2-3cm differences  Hey, it's 4.5cm!  That's a huge difference in terms of adjusting your focus and attention between score and keys/fingers. ~5.5in (~14cm), that is indeed more substantial (and probably closer to what CyberGene experiences, going from the NU1X to the N1X). For me, already the 4.5cm were an adjustment - I can't imagine 14cm. 
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High up is a good place for the music stand. Especially for taller people, like me. Especially for people with degenerating disks, like me. Not if, like me, you wear varifocals, where the close-focus part of the lens is at the bottom. I'm fine on my stage piano where I'm looking down at the music, but on my piano teacher's Steinway I'm looking straight ahead at it, and it's really difficult to focus. It seems silly to have to get "piano glasses" for one lesson a week!
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High up is a good place for the music stand. Especially for taller people, like me. Especially for people with degenerating disks, like me. Not if, like me, you wear varifocals, where the close-focus part of the lens is at the bottom. I'm fine on my stage piano where I'm looking down at the music, but on my piano teacher's Steinway I'm looking straight ahead at it, and it's really difficult to focus. It seems silly to have to get "piano glasses" for one lesson a week! Since we have now devolved completely away from the piano aspect of the N1X and into various sight related topics I will throw in my two cents. I also have multifocal lenses for regular wear that are a bit of a pain when playing the piano. Fortunately I also have a pair of glasses just for working at the computer that are single focus for very near distance. These are great for playing the piano. Now to circle this back around to the N1X it would be interesting if someone were to post recordings of the same music played with the CFX and the Bosendorfer to compare the two.
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But on all the instruments we were discussing (Kawai CA97, 98, NV10, Yamaha CLP 600, N1X) the music rest in not on the fallboard but mounted on the top of the DP
On the CLP-685 the music rest is not on the top like the rest of the CLP series upright styles, it's actually built in to the fallboard so it's quite a bit lower than the other CLP's. You can see how different it is here: https://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical_instruments/pianos/clavinova/index.htmlIt's that strip on the fallboard, and it folds down to make the rest.
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Now to circle this back around to the N1X it would be interesting if someone were to post recordings of the same music played with the CFX and the Bosendorfer to compare the two. I can do this, although I’ve already had a few glasses of wine... 
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I just want to praise David B, CyberGene, Chrispy and all those with N1X's contributing to this thread. Yours are the only real independent (non-reseller/vendor/OEM) reviews of this piano around! Shockingly, Youtube still has no independent reviews of the N1X even two months after NAMM! Keep your comments up!  If one of you were to post an independent product review to Youtube, you would literally be the first 
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