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Re: Semi Concert Grand Blind Test pt 2 Reveal [Re: Keith D Kerman] #2832214
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One other note:

I think that clarity is more affected by design than by other things. I think that tone is more affected by hammers, strings, tuning etc.
Of course they interact with each other but a straight strung grand piano has the ultimate clarity in tone but can still sound very warm. If that same instrument has hard hammers and and an extreme tuning it will no longer sound as warm but it will still be very clear.

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Re: Semi Concert Grand Blind Test pt 2 Reveal [Re: Carey] #2832263
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Carey:
To be absolutely clear about it -
the pianist, so called, is type-writing, not playing a musical instrument.
There is no TONE.
Musically, formally, the playing just lurches from pillar to post.
He might be sight-reading.

Karl Watson,
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Re: Semi Concert Grand Blind Test pt 2 Reveal [Re: Keith D Kerman] #2832267
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I think that this young fellow plays BEAUTIFULLY and I like the piano very much.
I admire his quiet repose at the instrument.
The Clementi is one of my desert island pieces.
Thank you very much for posting.

Karl

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Can you tell us something about Yi Cheng, please ?
Is he at The Peabody ?
Your Steingraeber concert grand is a beaut, a really gorgeous piano.
One has a sense that it has MANY possibilities, colours, et al.
Does the dynamic range compare to a D ?
Do your technicians like working on them ?

Karl

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I was thinking "mechanical," but I like Karl's typewriter analogy.

I realize that talent and skill are necessary to play with absolute precision (far more than I possess), but as a listener, I'd prefer a performance with more expressiveness, like in the video Keith posted.



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Re: Semi Concert Grand Blind Test pt 2 Reveal [Re: Karl Watson] #2832299
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Originally Posted by Karl Watson
Carey:
To be absolutely clear about it -
the pianist, so called, is type-writing, not playing a musical instrument.
There is no TONE.
Musically, formally, the playing just lurches from pillar to post.
He might be sight-reading.

Karl Watson,
Staten Island, NY

Ah come on Karl, give the guy a break (ha ha).

Here's his youtube channel. Lots of good stuff here - on better sounding pianos.
https://www.youtube.com/user/mikado568

As for tone....
https://youtu.be/ECGekViujYQ

Nevertheless, while I submit he wasn't sight-reading or type-writing, his interpretation of the Waldstein 1st movement does have a "pillar to post" quality about it which I don't particularly care for. So, yes, I agree with you.

Cheers !


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Re: Semi Concert Grand Blind Test pt 2 Reveal [Re: Karl Watson] #2832312
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Originally Posted by Karl Watson
Keith:

Can you tell us something about Yi Cheng, please ?
Is he at The Peabody ?
Your Steingraeber concert grand is a beaut, a really gorgeous piano.
One has a sense that it has MANY possibilities, colours, et al.
Does the dynamic range compare to a D ?
Do your technicians like working on them ?

Karl


At the time ( 2 years ago ) he was I believe a Freshman at Peabody studying with Boris Slutsky ( who is just a fantastic musician and teacher if you are not familiar with him ) This performance really got my attention. FWIW, the Steingraeber concert grand in our video came to us sounding pretty much exactly the way the one you didn't like sounded. The thing about Steingraebers is they have lots of energy and color so we can coax a tone out of them that is more to our aesthetic. The particular D-232 semi concert grand Steingraeber that I began these threads with is actually a nicer piano ( IMO ) than either of these concert grands, but the concert grand in the video with the Clementi that you like was more developed and matured. Ultimately, the D-232 will be more in that direction unless a client buys it first and wants something else smile Here is another performance on that same piano ( played by Yi Cheng ) in completely different repertoire ( another Slutsky Freshman student here ) that hopefully you will enjoy and it shows another entire side of this piano.




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Re: Semi Concert Grand Blind Test pt 2 Reveal [Re: Carey] #2832318
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Originally Posted by Carey

Ah come on Karl, give the guy a break (ha ha).

*******

Nevertheless, while I submit he wasn't sight-reading or type-writing, his interpretation of the Waldstein 1st movement does have a "pillar to post" quality about it which I don't particularly care for. So, yes, I agree with you.

Cheers !


Just goes to show that one should make more faces during a movement without a lot of contrasts, to get across that interpretation is going on. 😁

I would think THE MUSIC requires the "pillar to post" quality. 😁 There are two other movements:



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