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Re: Cost of full setup based on VPC-1 [Re: JoBert] #2831953 03/27/19 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by JoBert

(about the CA48 and CA58):

I guess you are aware, but just in case: Those have the Grand Feel Compact (GFC) which also feels a bit different than GF/GFII.


No, in fact I was not aware, so thank you for the reminder - again.

So then, for a real GF (or GF-II) action, my entry point seems to be the MP11SE (at ~2700 USD), or the CA78 (at ~3200 USD).

If I add proper external speakers to the MP11SE, I certainly reach the price range of the CA78... which means that I am back at the CA78 and the CA98... pretty much there I started.

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Re: Cost of full setup based on VPC-1 [Re: Csillag] #2831962 03/27/19 10:55 AM
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Did you look at the CN37? I once had the CN35. I preferred it to the CN25 I originally purchased. It should be less than the CA78, but a nice upgrade from what you have now.

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Re: Cost of full setup based on VPC-1 [Re: TomLC] #2831967 03/27/19 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by TomLC
Did you look at the CN37? I once had the CN35. I preferred it to the CN25 I originally purchased. It should be less than the CA78, but a nice upgrade from what you have now.


Yes, it would be an update, but basically it's still the same RH (-3) plastic action.

My whole purpose with the upgrade is get a significantly more realistic action. I don't think I can reach that goal within the plastic range.

Re: Cost of full setup based on VPC-1 [Re: TomLC] #2831972 03/27/19 11:16 AM
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Did you look at the CN37? I once had the CN35. I preferred it to the CN25 I originally purchased. It should be less than the CA78, but a nice upgrade from what you have now.


I just spoke to my dealer (Tim Praskins) a couple of days ago because I was considering between a CA-78, MP11SE, or the NV10, and he ultimately suggested the MP11SE over the others. We discussed the CA-78 vs MP11SE specifically and he said that while it's true that you have to spend more for the extras with an MP11SE it's not that much more as people would believe, so here's the breakdown of what he recommended (which he himself uses for this model; he owns many pianos both accoustic grands and dp's) :

Powered Speakers: JBL Professional 305P MkII - $218/pair
Piano Stand: On-Stage KS7350 Pro Heavy-Duty Folding-Z Keyboard Stand - $72.61

He didn't mention speaker stands so I looked it up :

Rockville RVSM1 Pair of Near-Field Studio Monitor Stands w/Adjustable Height - $52.80

Total of the extras comes out to $343.41, and he gave me a good deal on a new MP11SE so I'm happy and this setup should work for you. Of course you can spend much more on higher end gear but as you can see you can get by for much less than you would think.



Re: Cost of full setup based on VPC-1 [Re: Csillag] #2831982 03/27/19 11:31 AM
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Good news: local dealer has told me that there is a 99% chance that they will have the CA-98 in store in 4-6 weeks time, so I will be able to test it. (Side by side with the CA-78 and the CN models.) So I guess I am going to wait until that happens.

That doesn't necessarily stop me from thinking in the meantime, though...

Re: Cost of full setup based on VPC-1 [Re: AnthonyPaulO] #2831986 03/27/19 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by AnthonyPaulO
I just spoke to my dealer (Tim Praskins) a couple of days ago because I was considering between a CA-78, MP11SE, or the NV10, and he ultimately suggested the MP11SE over the others.


Thanks for the tip, and the parts list! Yes, the MP11SE is definitely a strong contender. too.

Re: Cost of full setup based on VPC-1 [Re: Csillag] #2831987 03/27/19 11:43 AM
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IMO, the comparison between the MP11SE and the CA78 should not be made on price alone, or even foremost, but mainly on the other differences, to see where your preferences fall:

Cabinet furniture vs. more "technical" looking setup with stage piano + stand + speakers
Difficult to move around vs. half-way portable
Sound via built in speakers vs. sound from external speakers
GFII vs. GF
SK-EX Rendering engine + HIXL engine vs. only HIXL engine
Centered around playing piano vs. more versatile controlling MIDI

The answers are different for different people.

Re: Cost of full setup based on VPC-1 [Re: Csillag] #2831988 03/27/19 11:47 AM
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I just spoke to my dealer (Tim Praskins) a couple of days ago because I was considering between a CA-78, MP11SE, or the NV10, and he ultimately suggested the MP11SE over the others.


Thanks for the tip, and the parts list! Yes, the MP11SE is definitely a strong contender. too.


I would suggest you talk to Tim Praskins and tell him what you're looking for, what you're considering, and get his advice, he's more than willing to help even if you don't plan on buying yet. Both times that I've purchased through him I talked with him for well over an hour on the phone and he was so helpful and in no rush and not trying to sell me anything like the typical salesman.

Re: Cost of full setup based on VPC-1 [Re: Csillag] #2831989 03/27/19 11:49 AM
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I might have forgotten to mention that I am based in Hungary, Europe, so I am quite certain that I am outside your dealer's jurisdiction. He might still be willing to talk, but I don't like to abuse other people's time.

Re: Cost of full setup based on VPC-1 [Re: JoBert] #2831991 03/27/19 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by JoBert
IMO, the comparison between the MP11SE and the CA78 should not be made on price alone, or even foremost, but mainly on the other differences, to see where your preferences fall:

Cabinet furniture vs. more "technical" looking setup with stage piano + stand + speakers
Difficult to move around vs. half-way portable
Sound via built in speakers vs. sound from external speakers
GFII vs. GF
SK-EX Rendering engine + HIXL engine vs. only HIXL engine
Centered around playing piano vs. more versatile controlling MIDI

The answers are different for different people.


Exactly, in my case I was interested in something that is more mobile so that I can scoot out the way in case there's a party or something which is why the MP11SE would be perfect for me. I would definitely suggest talking to your dealer (assuming they care about your needs more than your wallet) and tell them what your needs are and ask them for advice, that way they can take your particular scenario into account and give you options that will better suit your situation.

Re: Cost of full setup based on VPC-1 [Re: Csillag] #2831993 03/27/19 11:52 AM
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Maybe I overlooked that you mentioned it, but please make sure to return to factory settings when trying. You never know what weird stuff other shopers did.

Oh, and regarding sound, try different styles of the pianist mode, I think it sounds excellent. Lovely action too (while too light for ME).

Re: Cost of full setup based on VPC-1 [Re: Csillag] #2831994 03/27/19 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Csillag
I might have forgotten to mention that I am based in Hungary, Europe, so I am quite certain that I am outside your dealer's jurisdiction. He might still be willing to talk, but I don't like to abuse other people's time.


Tim has a solid reputation as someone who is just happy to help bring more people into the piano community so email him first, describing your needs and where you're located, and take it from there. He can either recommend someone that he knows is reputable in your region or if possible help you himself.

Re: Cost of full setup based on VPC-1 [Re: Csillag] #2832003 03/27/19 12:42 PM
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Are we talking about Tim Praskins?

Re: Cost of full setup based on VPC-1 [Re: AnthonyPaulO] #2832004 03/27/19 12:45 PM
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Is it likely that Tim knows piano dealers in Hungary? wink
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He can either recommend someone that he knows is reputable in your region or ...

Re: Cost of full setup based on VPC-1 [Re: Pete14] #2832023 03/27/19 01:06 PM
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Yes, Tim Praskins, AZ Piano Reviews. I don't know if he knows dealers in Hungary, all I'm saying is that it's possible that he knows other dealers around the world and might be able to recommend someone, either from personal experience or word of mouth, or might be able to help you himself with advice. When you've been in the business for that many years you get to know people all around the world, I wouldn't be surprised if he did, and *my personal experience* with him back in 2012 and now in 2019 was of such quality that any time I see someone in need of new instrument advice I wholeheartedly recommend him.

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Originally Posted by AnthonyPaulO
When you've been in the business for that many years you get to know people all around the world, I wouldn't be surprised if he did, and *my personal experience* with him back in 2012 and now in 2019 was of such quality that any time I see someone in need of new instrument advice I wholeheartedly recommend him.

So, would you say that you recommend him, then? wink

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Tim Praskins 2020? I’d definitely vote for Praskins over Buttigieg! thumb

Re: Cost of full setup based on VPC-1 [Re: Csillag] #2832033 03/27/19 01:20 PM
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Ahhhh my apologies, you guys are just trolling me, lol! I thought you were being sincere with your questions and I was just trying to be helpful.

Re: Cost of full setup based on VPC-1 [Re: Markuska] #2832063 03/27/19 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Markuska
Maybe I overlooked that you mentioned it, but please make sure to return to factory settings when trying. You never know what weird stuff other shopers did.

Oh, and regarding sound, try different styles of the pianist mode, I think it sounds excellent. Lovely action too (while too light for ME).

That's good advice. And also remember to test the speakers with a suitable volume, even if that may feel a bit strange in a public shop. Especially the soundboard sound of the CA98 really starts to come into its own only if you play it at a "proper" acoustic-like volume. The CA78 also sounds better that way, imo (maybe that's why it sounded muffled in the shop, if you tested with a too low volume?). Coming from an older CN model, your daughters may not be used to the volume of an acoustic (they can be loud!). Set the volume slider to ~75% (i.e. half way between middle and max volume), that should be about similar to an acoustic.

Re: Cost of full setup based on VPC-1 [Re: mcontraveos] #2832137 03/27/19 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by mcontraveos
I wouldn't bother with the K&M stands at all. In my experience, they've introduced unacceptable wobble even with a unit as heavy as the VPC1.


K&M produces various different keyboard stands. May I ask which model you are referring to, please?
In my experience, the 18950 (and presumably 18953, although I have not tried it myself) is the most stable stand I have ever used.

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