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Lifting the CA98
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Hello everyone,

I’ve been visiting this forum for a long time trying to decide what digital piano is best for me, and after having tried all of the ones that interested me the most I’ve decided on purchasing the Kawai CA98.

However, I’m trying to figure out how to lift the thing without damaging it since it will be delivered to my driveway and not inside the house.

I’ve looked through the owners manual but cannot find anything regarding how to carry it.

Are there handles in the back? Can I use the keybed as support?

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I would assume it’s similar to the CA78 in weight and packaging. If so be warned it is VERY heavy. You will need at least one other adult available to help move it, preferably two. The box was just a massive box. Once inside there are two indented handles at the back of the instrument to assist with manoeuvring it up onto the cabinet once assembled. But do not underestimate the weight of this thing!


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Originally Posted by ShyPianist
I would assume it’s similar to the CA78 in weight and packaging. If so be warned it is VERY heavy. You will need at least one other adult available to help move it, preferably two. The box was just a massive box. Once inside there are two indented handles at the back of the instrument to assist with manoeuvring it up onto the cabinet once assembled. But do not underestimate the weight of this thing!


It’s supposed to weigh 85kg and is delivered prebuilt because of the soundboard preventing a two piece construction.

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Hi! AFAIK CA98 is a single piece unit and comes already assembled, which means you have to lift and move the whole thing, which is impossible for one person. I can only propose to pay extra to delivery guys so they can move it inside the house and unbox it, or hire some other outside workforce. Or contact the store you're buying it in and ask for options.


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I assume the design is similar to the CA-97. That can be lifted by two people with one hand under the keybed, and one hand in the recess just above the soundboard.

I moved it ~30 meters with my wife with short breaks here and there for her to recuperate.

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Originally Posted by elendil
I assume the design is similar to the CA-97. That can be lifted by two people with one hand under the keybed, and one hand in the recess just above the soundboard.

I moved it ~30 meters with my wife with short breaks here and there for her to recuperate.

Yes, that would work. That is how I moved it a couple of meters once placed in a room. But if there are flights of stairs or corners to be tackled this is a recipe for disaster because the dp will have no protection. Hire professionals to do this job. If that is not possible try to move the dp inside its packaging. But that would require hauling a huge box that weighs almost 100 kg.

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Pretty much all piano stores (in the UK at least - I assume it's the same elsewhere!) offer a "home installation" service as a premium addition to basic delivery. If you have nobody to help you move it, this would be worth paying for, I think. There's no way you can move this on your own!


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Originally Posted by elendil
I assume the design is similar to the CA-97. That can be lifted by two people with one hand under the keybed, and one hand in the recess just above the soundboard.

I moved it ~30 meters with my wife with short breaks here and there for her to recuperate.


Alright that is how I’ve planned to carry it. Good to know!

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Hello iLogic,

As others have noted, the CA98 is large and rather heavy. I strongly recommend asking the retailer to arrange for the piano to be installed in your home for peace of mind.

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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Hello iLogic,

As others have noted, the CA98 is large and rather heavy. I strongly recommend asking the retailer to arrange for the piano to be installed in your home for peace of mind.

Kind regards,
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Hello James! I will make use of my neighbors to help me move it. I’ll lift it with one hand under the keybed and another on the handle on the back of the piano

//iLogic

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Originally Posted by iLogic
I’ll lift it with one hand under the keybed and another on the handle on the back of the piano

If it is similar to the CA97 (which I assume) then there actually is no dedicated handle on the back. Just a little "ledge" that is part of the recessed construction of the soundboard. This can be used to lift the piano (i.e. it is sturdy enough and doesn't break) but it is difficult to get a proper grip on it, as it is no more than ~2cm or so in depth. So there really is only enough space for the finger tips. It is good enough to carry it if you have a good finger strength, but not for far distances, and not up stairs or something more difficult.


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Right, the soundboard models certainly require strong fingers (I helped to lift one recently...), however professional piano movers will probably use a proper harness over their upper-body.

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I’ll lift it with one hand under the keybed and another on the handle on the back of the piano

If it is similar to the CA97 (which I assume) then there actually is no dedicated handle on the back. Just a little "ledge" that is part of the recessed construction of the soundboard. This can be used to lift the piano (i.e. it is sturdy enough and doesn't break) but it is difficult to get a proper grip on it, as it is no more than ~2cm or so in depth. So there really is only enough space for the finger tips. It is good enough to carry it if you have a good finger strength, but not for far distances, and not up stairs or something more difficult.


Sigh.. Interesting.

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I recently purchased a NU1X that also comes assembled. The moving company was supposed to send 2 people on the truck but only sent one. Fortunately my son was home from college at the time and between him, myself and the driver we were able to get it up the front porch steps and inside the front door. From there we removed it from the box and put it on furniture glides so we could slide it into it's final position. These DP's are big and awkward. Even with the three of us if we had to go up an substantial number of stairs I would have either hired professional movers or at least invested in moving straps. I don't know about the CA98 but the NU1X is top heavy. Lifting the box from the bottom without someone there to stabilize it would be a recipe for disaster.


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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Right, the soundboard models certainly require strong fingers (I helped to lift one recently...), however professional piano movers will probably use a proper harness over their upper-body.

Exactly. My CA98 was removed from its package, wrapped in blankets and then brought up the stairs by two big guys with such harnesses... anyway, the guys said the CA98 was "not heavy" since they are used to haul upright pianos wink

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I just had a CA98 delivered this past Saturday by piano movers. It was fully assembled and not boxed. The two delivery men tilted it on end onto a dolly then rolled it to the truck's tailgate lift. When it was on the ground they rotated it to the normal upright position onto two dollies (one under each end) and rolled it to the front door. Once in the house the rolled it close to the final position and then lifted each end separately off the dollies. Then, with one man on each end, they lifted it from under the keyboard and the back ledge into the final position. The time from truck to final position was less than 5 minutes.

But as others have said, the CA98 weighs 85 kg (188 lbs). If dollies are available and the two persons can lift 100 lbs each, it can be moved easily. If it had to go up stairs, I would not consider attempting it myself - time for the pros. Let them do the heavy lifting and you carry the bench. : )

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Depending on where you live, if you purchased it from a Kawai dealer, it should be delivered, unboxed like an acoustic piano, by professional piano movers.



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Originally Posted by TomLC
Depending on where you live, if you purchased it from a Kawai dealer, it should be delivered, unboxed like an acoustic piano, by professional piano movers.


This is not the case for me I'm afraid. It will be delivered to my driveway by Schenker. I'll have to carry it inside the house myself.

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Depending on where you live, if you purchased it from a Kawai dealer, it should be delivered, unboxed like an acoustic piano, by professional piano movers.


This is not the case for me I'm afraid. It will be delivered to my driveway by Schenker. I'll have to carry it inside the house myself.

So do you have stairs to navigate? Otherwise it's a hassle but doable for reasonably strong people.


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As all have said, the soundboard versions are heavy. Two good men can move it. If the 98 is like the 93 and 95, there is not a recessed handgrip in back. But, a tiny ledge just good enough for fingernails. I would recommend a moving strap like this one in Amazon. They are not expensive and will be really helpful.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B011RZDAKS/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1


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