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Re: Semi Concert Grand Blind Test
Keith D Kerman #2829386 03/21/19 07:28 AM
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#1, #2, #3
I prefer the bass of the #2 over the #1. In general I like the clarity of #2, the warmth of #1, the #3 had a sharper, brighter tone. I think I could like #3 in isolation but probably for other repertoire than #1 and #2.

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I can't hear much difference but maybe that's because I'm just listening on my laprtop's speakers. I hope I could hear a difference listening in your showroom.

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They all sound great. My taste says:
#3
#1
#2


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Right now, I'd have to say 3, 1, 2. But I think 1 is the most intriguing and potential-filled of the three, and with a little work to brighten it up a bit would almost certainly go to the top of my list.

I really want to know what they are!

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This is a great study which illustrates not only how varied 3 different quality piano's scalings can be but also how different our aural preferences are. I like the definition of 2 best. It's like fine wines, there is no "best" piano in the world. I am interested in how we are conditioned to prefer certain sounds. I met a Polish professional pianist who for all of her developing years played "European" pianos. When she first played a NYS&S years later she immediately fell in love with the lush sound. I went exactly in the opposite direction.

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Keith D Kerman #2829500 03/21/19 11:25 AM
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I could be happy with any of the three, but my choices are:

#2
#1
#3

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Originally Posted by MarkL
I can't hear enough difference to consistently choose one over the other. This kind of test is interesting, there was a test comparing old violins vs new violins done some years ago that turned up that no one could tell a stradivarius from a new quality made instrument, including the person who owned the stradivarius. The players were blindfolded and the majority picked a new instrument. It would be interesting to do the same thing with different age and brand pianos.



They did something similar with 'cellos. Same player, same pieces, behind a screen playing for an illustrious panel of 'cellists and concertmasters. The panel couldn't reliably pick old from new and the "winner" was a Moes-and Moes, a contemporary maker in Germany. I guess it wasn't the coal dust in the air or whatever voo-doo they're ascribing this week to the work of Antonio S.


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Originally Posted by Ed McMorrow, RPT
I like 2 slightly better than 3 and find 1 to be indistinct and clumsy sounding.

But hearing this piece makes me remember how simply wonderful my wife can play it. I may have to set her to task if she is willing so I can hear it on my concert grand.


Thanks for your opinion! It is really charming how much you like your wife's playing.


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Originally Posted by MarkL
I can't hear enough difference to consistently choose one over the other. This kind of test is interesting, there was a test comparing old violins vs new violins done some years ago that turned up that no one could tell a stradivarius from a new quality made instrument, including the person who owned the stradivarius. The players were blindfolded and the majority picked a new instrument. It would be interesting to do the same thing with different age and brand pianos.


Great point! Thanks for contributing.


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I would also like to ask, can most of you determine how much you like a piano within the first 10 to 15 seconds of listening to it, or as the more you listen your preference may change? And what is your piano background?

Here are my answers to my own questions:

I am a beginner player. I have been a music lover all my life but just recently started taking piano lessons several months ago. Within the first few seconds I obtain a rough ballpark impression whether I "like" or "dislike" the sound, but then unable to get a further more accurate assessment, or a ranking. When I first listened to the three soundtracks I liked 1 the most. A few minutes in I thought 3 was also good. Then I started over and listened once again this time 2 sounded not bad either. At this point I have no answer, my "rankings" continue to change like weather.

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Originally Posted by Dave Ferris
Listening with Neumann KH120s , a (new) Cranesong Solaris Quantum DAC and Senn HD650s into the Cranesong -- They're all very good but I prefer #1. It seems to have that extra bit of dark tone and richness that I like. But #3 is very good too and so is #2. In that order.

Since you said Semi- concert, is #1 a rebuilt NY Steinway C ? I heard one on your site not long ago that had a gorgeous tone. Are we including 7' models ?


Thanks for the feedback Dave! I consider a piano a semi concert grand at the 6'10"- 8' size give or take. I also appreciate that you are listening on great equipment which makes a huge difference.


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Originally Posted by jshelton
I prefer number 2 for it's clarity but would happily trade my Yamaha for any of them.


Thanks for the comment!


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Originally Posted by Furtwangler
I agree with Dave and Sam

#1
#3
#2

I can't wait to find out which is which.

They all sound good.


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Originally Posted by noyes
Love the idea of the post, very interesting!

Also can't wait to find out the answer.


I am really glad you find it interesting. This is quite fun for me as well.


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Originally Posted by dynamobt
I agree.
#1
#3
#2


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Originally Posted by Karl Watson
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I prefer No. 3

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Very interesting smile Thanks for the response!


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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
I would also say no2 is best.It is difficult to judge with recordings though.


Thank you! Yes, it certainly can be.


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Originally Posted by WhoDwaldi
I like no. 2, too.

No. 3 is similar to two, but too tart sounding.

No. 1 could use a tad of brightening--not too much.

Nobody up for brand speculation? Bosendorfer, Shigeru Kawai, Fazioli, Steinway, or Yamaha?


Thank you for the feedback and some later posters are beginning to speculate on brand a bit.


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Originally Posted by outo
I had time to only listen to the beginning, but my first impression is that I would prefer nr 1.


I hope you get a bit more time to listen more thoroughly to each and see if that impression holds.


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Originally Posted by redfish1901
Since I don't mind getting this all wrong:

1: Steingraeber, 2: Estonia, 3. Steinway.

They all sound gorgeous. Beautifully voiced. Bravo.


Thank you for your response! Thanks also for the guesses. They may or may not be completely or partially correct smile


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