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Re: Why do people not favor uprights??
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Originally Posted by outo
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Who would choose a digital over an upright for action? Doesn't make a lick of sense.

The best digitals have a grand like action while uprights don't, that's why. Have you tried any?

Really??? Do you believe every bit of marketing you read ?I have one of those digitals that supposed to have a "grand like action" I can say no it does not! I have tried many digitals that supposed to have this magic action.No they do not!
Perhaps the silent mode on your upright is affecting the action.


I have played many other uprights, not just my own and so far all of them have had limitations in their action. Also I have played many digitals, so I base my opinions on experience, not marketing.

I spend years looking for a new piano and tried A LOT of different instruments. I never said the digital action is "magic", just that they sometimes make better practice tools than an upright. I find some of the posts here almost fanatically proposing uprights for all needs and I don't want anyone to fall for that trap either, but select their instrument based on their individual needs.

Well I do not know what planet you live on ? The fact is Outdo you should be aware that people no longer buy NEW accoustic pianos.
Now days the old grand is replacing the NEW accoustic upright piano!
Apart from this NEW digitals with its.so called "many funtions"which is nonsense, is also replacing the accoustic upright.This is all affecting the sale of NEW pianos.When the day dawns with the demise of accoustic pianos.Let us not wonder at the fact that only the WEALTHLY will own ACCOUSTIC pianos.
This passion to own a grand piano becomes absurd on this forum.
People write in about wanting to know if they should buy a grand with
cracked soundboard or even worse a broken bridge(or crown) ???
Do we all have to imagine that we are Princes or Princess and should
therefore own a grand(even one with a broken soundboard ) ???Or pretend that we are mini-concert pianists ???Therefore throw away the accoustic upright piano.You have got it wrong ! It is the upright accoustic piano that that is being "mangled" on this thread !!! This happens again and again and it is MINDLESS !!!

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Less sex appeal? Its that kind of half way point thats not that appealing but gets the job done. No headphones / sound benefit or able to use high end VSTs to sound like its a CFX, no recording, just 'average' sound and better than average touch. I think I would also choose an avant grand over an upright, unless it was one of those nice ones like the YUS series, but if I spent that much, it begs the question why not a grand?

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Originally Posted by kokatla
Less sex appeal? Its that kind of half way point thats not that appealing but gets the job done. No headphones / sound benefit or able to use high end VSTs to sound like its a CFX, no recording, just 'average' sound and better than average touch. I think I would also choose an avant grand over an upright, unless it was one of those nice ones like the YUS series, but if I spent that much, it begs the question why not a grand?

Yes sure ,but even a U1,or a Kawai k300 will give you the satisfaction of feeling what it's like playing a real instrument ,the vibrations of strings instead of a "glorified box"with speakers in it.A box that makes use "second hand sound".If you want to listen to a recording of a CFX switch on the radio or listen to a CD.
As for" SEXY,perhaps different forum will do? I cannot advise.I am a married women !

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Digital pianos are useful if you live in an apartment.If it's just a matter
of choosing between a digital and an accoustic upright piano the choice is for real sound not second hand sound or synthetic sound.

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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Digital pianos are useful if you live in an apartment.If it's just a matter
of choosing between a digital and an accoustic upright piano the choice is for real sound not second hand sound or synthetic sound.


I must agree with Lady Bird. I too, would always choose an upright to a digital piano. Even on the best digital pianos I have tried, the feel, action, feedback and sound are superior on a good upright. Just my personal experience. I do understand however, when circumstances dictate where a digital piano must be used.



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High end digitals and full performance keyboards are used by professional musicians for gigs, concerts, and large church gatherings. Digital pianos and keyboards are portable. That’s a huge advantage for gigging musicians. It’s a huge advantage for me. I can easily with one hand move my keyboard next to my C3 for duets. Although the action is different from an acoustic, it’s portability, midi output, adjustable brightness, adjustable key weight (although that is kinda lame) makes it a viable alternative. I’m old but putting my 26 lb Casio and lightweight but strong stand in the truck or SUV is significantly sexier than trying to move a 400 lbs gigantic upright! What’s sexy depends on the time and function for the pianists.


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The sexiest part of a piano is the sweet sounds they can make.

I believe the old idiom "it's the inside that counts" is most applicable here. I am a fan of both digital and acoustic to use in different situations. They aren't mutually exclusive.

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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Originally Posted by outo


I have played many other uprights, not just my own and so far all of them have had limitations in their action. Also I have played many digitals, so I base my opinions on experience, not marketing.

I spend years looking for a new piano and tried A LOT of different instruments. I never said the digital action is "magic", just that they sometimes make better practice tools than an upright. I find some of the posts here almost fanatically proposing uprights for all needs and I don't want anyone to fall for that trap either, but select their instrument based on their individual needs.

Well I do not know what planet you live on ? The fact is Outdo you should be aware that people no longer buy NEW accoustic pianos.
Now days the old grand is replacing the NEW accoustic upright piano!
Apart from this NEW digitals with its.so called "many funtions"which is nonsense, is also replacing the accoustic upright.This is all affecting the sale of NEW pianos.When the day dawns with the demise of accoustic pianos.Let us not wonder at the fact that only the WEALTHLY will own ACCOUSTIC pianos.
This passion to own a grand piano becomes absurd on this forum.
People write in about wanting to know if they should buy a grand with
cracked soundboard or even worse a broken bridge(or crown) ???
Do we all have to imagine that we are Princes or Princess and should
therefore own a grand(even one with a broken soundboard ) ???Or pretend that we are mini-concert pianists ???Therefore throw away the accoustic upright piano.You have got it wrong ! It is the upright accoustic piano that that is being "mangled" on this thread !!! This happens again and again and it is MINDLESS !!!


I live on planet Europe and I have not witnessed such mindlessness...I have also been on this forum for years and have not seen many absurd posts about wanting to own a grand no matter what. In fact you should maybe cool down a bit, because you are borderline insulting to people who come here for help in buying a piano...

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Just to thrown in my tuppenceworth. I recently acquired a digital piano (Kawai CA78) and I also have a nice acoustic upright. My upright is currently badly in need of tuning and I have been patiently awaiting the piano tuner, who is finally coming next week, and it also currently has some issues with its action that I'm hoping he can resolve. At this time therefore I am enjoying the CA78 rather more, but I am very very lucky to have the choice. I have promised to write a review of the CA78 in particular comparing it to my upright, and I plan to do so, but in fairness to the acoustic piano I want to wait until I've played it for a couple of weeks following its health check.


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Originally Posted by WhoDwaldi
All this reminds me that a woodpecker takes to the side of my house every now and then. 😁

Oh, man, I had the same problem at my home in Georgia years ago! And it was usually on a Saturday morning, when I might feel like sleeping in!



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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
This is all about the pianist,or how well the piano is regulated. It is often a case with grand pianos as well .

Yep, a poorly maintained grand is no better than any other poorly maintained piano.



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Originally Posted by j&j
High end digitals and full performance keyboards are used by professional musicians for gigs, concerts, and large church gatherings. Digital pianos and keyboards are portable. That’s a huge advantage for gigging musicians. It’s a huge advantage for me. I can easily with one hand move my keyboard next to my C3 for duets. Although the action is different from an acoustic, it’s portability, midi output, adjustable brightness, adjustable key weight (although that is kinda lame) makes it a viable alternative. I’m old but putting my 26 lb Casio and lightweight but strong stand in the truck or SUV is significantly sexier than trying to move a 400 lbs gigantic upright! What’s sexy depends on the time and function for the pianists.

There are times when a movable digital is useful.
We still have an 80's Roland keyboard somewhere .There are times my husband hauls it out and makes use of it for an imput for Sibelius.We also have a digital Roland piano which looks like a traditional piano which you cannot move easily.There are times when
I play this piano as well and even enjoy playing it. Its sound even though very nice as digitals go is as all digitals are very standardized.
This aspect of tone standardization is what is common for all digital pianos weither they make use of sound samples or like the Roland use synthesized sound.

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outo- isn’t it great that the acoustic piano market has enough options on size, sound, dynamics, color, and aesthetics that we can all find something we love? From sleek modern designs to art case beauty. If I was rich enough I’d have a fleet of fabulous pianos, including some stellar uprights, sitting in a stand alone gigantic studio. I could pick a piano to match my mood.
Which reminds me, my odds might improve a teeny tiny bit if I actually start buying lottery tickets. 😁

I thought you despised the look of upright pianos ?

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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Originally Posted by j&j
outo- isn’t it great that the acoustic piano market has enough options on size, sound, dynamics, color, and aesthetics that we can all find something we love? From sleek modern designs to art case beauty. If I was rich enough I’d have a fleet of fabulous pianos, including some stellar uprights, sitting in a stand alone gigantic studio. I could pick a piano to match my mood.
Which reminds me, my odds might improve a teeny tiny bit if I actually start buying lottery tickets. 😁

I thought you despised the look of upright pianos ?

Well, I don't know about j&j, but personally, I dislike the look of upright pianos. They all look to me like they belong in a saloon in the Old West, maybe with a piano roll running though it. (No disrespect to owners of uprights intended!)



Frankly, I don't know why here in the 21st century, they can't design a piano that is a bit sleeker and trimmer.... (oh wait! they have! it's called a "digital!" laugh )


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I got a lecture one time about the bulkiness of acoustic pianos--from somebody who had a POOL TABLE. grin


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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Well, I don't know about j&j, but personally, I dislike the look of upright pianos. They all look to me like they belong in a saloon in the Old West, maybe with a piano roll running though it.

You say that like it's a bad thing!!! laugh

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Originally Posted by WhoDwaldi
All this reminds me that a woodpecker takes to the side of my house every now and then. 😁

Oh, man, I had the same problem at my home in Georgia years ago! And it was usually on a Saturday morning, when I might feel like sleeping in!


Alas, I have this issue sometimes now! Darn woodpecker...



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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Well, I don't know about j&j, but personally, I dislike the look of upright pianos. They all look to me like they belong in a saloon in the Old West, maybe with a piano roll running though it.

You say that like it's a bad thing!!! laugh


Yes, that would be a cool setting!



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