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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On
Harpuia #2829118 03/20/19 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Harpuia
How does the N1X speaker compared to N1? I only tried N1 and the bass is underwhelming. I don't mean it is weak like a small upright. What I mean is it sounds like playing a recording using a cheap woofer. I remember the speaker sound from N1 is like coming from a box but not from a real piano. Not sure if it is improved in the N1X.

Which DPs have you tested that remotely sound like a real piano? The DPs on the market either have a strong but boomy/muddy bass, sound like a not that good hi-fi system or simply have inadequate speakers. So, in the best case scenario you will find a DP with acceptable speakers and ampliification but that will be far from delivering a realistic sound.

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Can’t say much now frown Played it for 30 seconds. I haven’t played a piano for almost a month but initial impression is it’s definitely better than NU1X as a keyboard feel, more substantial and a bit heavier in regards to dynamic weight. The bass is exactly as I like it: clean and not boomy. Will write more when I have at least a few more minutes alone with it frown



Ok, seeing how many DP's have occupied that space I think its time for a photo montage showing your DP progression. wink

Seriously looks great!


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Originally Posted by oneilt130
Ok, seeing how many DP's have occupied that space I think its time for a photo montage showing your DP progression. wink

Yeah, couldn't take that long to the silent baby grand now. wink


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Ok, seeing how many DP's have occupied that space I think its time for a photo montage showing your DP progression. wink

Yeah, couldn't take that long to the silent baby grand now. wink

I guess cybergenes’s DIY hybrid controller will come first ;-)

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Ok, seeing how many DP's have occupied that space I think its time for a photo montage showing your DP progression. wink

Yeah, couldn't take that long to the silent baby grand now. wink


Let's see, he had the NU1X for a little under a month now the N1X while taking into account the coefficient of moving up multiple flights of stairs... I would estimate 264 days give or take a week. smile


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Originally Posted by arc7urus
I guess cybergenes’s DIY hybrid controller will come first ;-)

Didn't that become pretty pointless now?


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Can’t say much now frown Played it for 30 seconds. I haven’t played a piano for almost a month but initial impression is it’s definitely better than NU1X as a keyboard feel, more substantial and a bit heavier in regards to dynamic weight. The bass is exactly as I like it: clean and not boomy. Will write more when I have at least a few more minutes alone with it frown

Looks nice CyberGene!
David B seemed to think the N1X needed to be placed a couple feet away from the wall to benefit the rear speaker sound.

This thread has me wanting to get the N1X. crazy


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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On
David B #2829166 03/20/19 04:42 PM
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I've had about 40 minutes to play at the early evening, mostly on speakers this time, then on headphones.

I can certainly say this piano is a step up from NU1X in every respect, except for looks. I preferred the upright style which looked like a real piano. This monster now is some rather ugly Quasimodo, but the wife says it look much better. Women know better.

Keyboard feel is better. Controlling notes is better. Soft trills are so easy now! I don't have to think how I play to avoid loud note issue, etc.

Sound from speakers is definitely better! It comes from everywhere. Bosendorfer definitely sounds somehow brighter than the CFX! This is entirely new experience. In the NU1X and Clavinovas, it sounded dull and dark. Not anymore. But I still prefer the CFX.

The piano is simply perfect and I can't find any problem with it as of now. Rest assured, I won't upgrade it soon. Whereas on the NU1X I tried to heroically cope with the loud note issue and then some key sensor irregularities and that was too much. I am yet to think of anything that I don't like about N1X. Man, I love it!!!

As to my DIY controller. It's something entirely different. It's for me to prove to myself (and to the (piano)world) that a hybrid controller can be made (relatively) easily and cheaply by a guy who didn't know much about electronics and grand piano actions. And even that such a controller would still be able to compete with the big boys to some degree. I am determined to prove that and I will finish it smile


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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On
David B #2829171 03/20/19 04:56 PM
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Excellent news Gene! We are all eager to hear you play your new date!

I need to go online and by some Beano from Amazon... to be used for the gas I am experiencing currently.

I created a post on the Cunningham Piano YouTube N1 page asking if they could play the N3X vs the N1X side by side and using microphones. That would be very interesting to hear.


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Originally Posted by CyberGene
The piano is simply perfect and I can't find any problem with it as of now. Rest assured, I won't upgrade it soon. Whereas on the NU1X I tried to heroically cope with the loud note issue and then some key sensor irregularities and that was too much. I am yet to think of anything that I don't like about N1X. Man, I love it!!!

Awesome, enjoy your honeymoon! laugh


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David B #2829176 03/20/19 05:06 PM
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I wanted to show off but as I said my technique is terrible right now frown So, recorded the Naima theme, short and simple:


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Beautiful song, Gene.

So glad you're happy with your N1X.

Women often do have a better sense of aesthetics than men. At least that's what my wife tells me.

It looks great and sounds great.

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Sounds great, Gene. Nice playing. Looks like the search is over.



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CyberGene, I have to say that I prefer this beast -aesthetically- over the NU1X.
Yes, the NU1X looks almost exactly like an upright, but it’s narrower (depth) than even the smallest upright. The one thing I like about the beast is its depth; not even the N2 comes close to it.

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CyberGene, I have to say that I prefer this beast -aesthetically- over the NU1X.
Yes, the NU1X looks almost exactly like an upright, but it’s narrower (depth) than even the smallest upright. The one thing I like about the beast is its depth; not even the N2 comes close to it.

I never could understand why the form factor of an upright is even something to aspire to. If pianos had never exist, and industrial designers in 2019 were to get out a fresh sheet of paper to design a new sort of musical instrument which hammers strings, would it look like an upright?! I just posted this to the piano forum:

Well, I don't know about j&j, but personally, I dislike the look of upright pianos. They all look to me like they belong in a saloon in the Old West, maybe with a piano roll running though it. (No disrespect to owners of uprights intended!)



Frankly, I don't know why here in the 21st century, they can't design a piano that is a bit sleeker and trimmer.... (oh wait! they have! it's called a "digital!" laugh )


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Well, I’ve grown playing an upright. Maybe I’m too used to that shape smile My mother in law also commented how the N1X looks much better than NU1X. So apparently it’s just me. But frankly, I don’t care, I love the sound so much, I would play it even if it looked like cr*p!


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Congratulations Gene! Glad you’re so happy with it. Thanks for the video is was a very nice piece.

Selfishly, I’m glad you got one as I suspect now I don’t have to figure out how to take bits off to expose the innards as I would bet you’ll succumb to temptation to see what Yamaha did in there and take plenty of pictures smile


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Selfishly, I’m glad you got one as I suspect now I don’t have to figure out how to take bits off to expose the innards as I would bet you’ll succumb to temptation to see what Yamaha did in there and take plenty of pictures smile

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We’ll see about pictures smile

I think I’ve done enough playing on the N1X to confirm I really prefer it over the NU1X. The main reason being I can’t hear a directly exposed speaker towards me. Instead there’s a soft sound radiating as though coming from within the piano, exactly like playing a real grand. Not sure if you noticed but playing real grands sounds a bit muffled for the player. It’s the audience sitting against the open lid that experience brighter sound. So, while people might found the sound of N1X slightly soft from playing position (and especially if they’re used to more direct and bright sound as heard on records or when sitting in the audience), I am confident this is the proper way of hearing the piano sound as a player. I’d say I prefer it over headphones even with the otherwise awesome binaural CFX. I’ll try to play more on speakers when I can.

And again, not sure what Yamaha changed but the Bösendorfer is brighter than the CFX on speakers. That’s a huge surprise. I’m split between which one I prefer, they are complementing each other perfectly and offer great variety for different types of music and personal tastes. I’d still choose CFX more often though.

And the keyboard definitely feels even heavier. In a nice way. All at all, I’m so deeply fascinated by this piano! It’s the best piano I could ever imagine I would realistically own. I’m glad I ended up with the N1X and it’s definitely one of the most successful product choices I’ve ever made.

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Originally Posted by CyberGene
And the keyboard definitely feels even heavier. In a nice way. All at all, I’m so deeply fascinated by this piano! It’s the best piano I could ever imagine I would realistically own. I’m glad I ended up with the N1X and it’s definitely one of the most successful product choices I’ve ever made.

Yay. And I feel like I did my part in pushing on CyberGene to trade up! wink

Now if only our local piano stores can final stock one of these things so I can try it myself! grrrrrr..... mad


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