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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On
Gombessa #2827059 03/15/19 06:34 AM
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On my mom's upright piano (which I grew up playing on) the hinges wouldn't hold the note rest tight, so when you close the fall-board the note rest would open and scratch against the keys. Which is why I was taught I must use the felt cover.


That's a really good point. More than half the U3s I've seen have that happen and it irks me every time I close the fallboard. Why not have some kind of lock/latch so it doesn't bang on the keys when it drops??

On the NU1X there was a very odd solution to that problem, however I don't have pictures to show it and not sure if I can describe it with words. Basically there was a small pin on the note rest (or on the fallboard, don't remember) and a corresponding hole on the fallboard this pin slide in, that create friction and holds the note rest closed. I had mixed feelings about that because the friction was too high to open/close the note rest, and the pin itself was kind of making it look non-symmetrical and touching the scores.


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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On
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Originally Posted by CyberGene
On my mom's upright piano (which I grew up playing on) the hinges wouldn't hold the note rest tight, so when you close the fall-board the note rest would open and scratch against the keys. Which is why I was taught I must use the felt cover.

This can be fixed by squeezing the hinges a bit with pliers. After that the music rest stays up.


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Originally Posted by CyberGene

On the NU1X there was a very odd solution to that problem, however I don't have pictures to show it and not sure if I can describe it with words. Basically there was a small pin on the note rest (or on the fallboard, don't remember) and a corresponding hole on the fallboard this pin slide in, that create friction and holds the note rest closed. I had mixed feelings about that because the friction was too high to open/close the note rest, and the pin itself was kind of making it look non-symmetrical and touching the scores.


Yep, I've seen that on the NU1, and I believe the U3s have them as well. The problem is that this doesn't solve the problem. If the music rest becomes so loose that it flops down when closing the fallboard, the pin will likely not hold it up (it will have lost its friction just as the hinge has).


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I learn something new here everyday. Now I know that the strip of red felt is for.

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So it turns out that the red cloth-like artifact is not symbolic, after all?
Can it double as a scarf if the circumstances demand it? grin

Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On
David B #2827319 03/15/19 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by David B
The polished ebony seems to magnify every particle of dust that rests on the piano.


You weren't kidding.

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I wonder if the N1X would look good in satin black?

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Are we done here?
You know, the Novus ‘Hands on’ thread is at almost 3,000 posts, right?
So let’s get busy and start digging up issues and non-issues, quirks and idiosyncrasies, buzzes and hisses, pivot lengths and associated perceptions!
I’ve heard that the bass is somewhat lacking in the N1X; especially as it compares to the Novus.

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Originally Posted by Pete14
Are we done here?
You know, the Novus ‘Hands on’ thread is at almost 3,000 posts, right?
So let’s get busy and start digging up issues and non-issues, quirks and idiosyncrasies, buzzes and hisses, pivot lengths and associated perceptions!
I’ve heard that the bass is somewhat lacking in the N1X; especially as it compares to the Novus.

If this thread stays short in the future, I would consider it a good thing based on the contents of that Novus thread! laugh


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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On
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I’m out of state at a trade show this week so not playing with my instrument, just wishing I was. I plan on digging in when I get home. Maybe even get brave enough to take off a panel to see the action.


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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
If this thread stays short in the future, I would consider it a good thing based on the contents of that Novus thread! laugh


Lol, it would seem that way. But many of us are still over the moon with the NV-10, I know I am, despite having multiple bug reports sent to (and acted upon by) Kawai.

I'm sure the enjoyment will be the same with the N1X, and of course it would be very nice if you AG owners don't have to deal with the various growing pains of a new model/category/UI like some of your hybrid brethren have wink

All you N1X owners, keep those impressions, reviews and videos coming!


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Originally Posted by Gombessa
I'm sure the enjoyment will be the same with the N1X, and of course it would be very nice if you AG owners don't have to deal with the various growing pains of a new model/category/UI like some of your hybrid brethren have wink

At least the user interface of the AvantGrand N1X series is the exact opposite of the Novus NV-10:

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Originally Posted by JoeT
Originally Posted by Gombessa
I'm sure the enjoyment will be the same with the N1X, and of course it would be very nice if you AG owners don't have to deal with the various growing pains of a new model/category/UI like some of your hybrid brethren have wink

At least the user interface of the AvantGrand N1X series is the exact opposite of the Novus NV-10...

Hardware and production theetings problems are somewhat expected on a new model. But developing flawed software to drive a basic GUI is not. The thing is that the Kawai GUI could be an impressive product differentiator... however, for that to happen Kawai needs to improve and revise it - and the improvements are not about "bug" corrections, but very deep changes to the overall UI design and functionality (rethinking the design and then developing a new GUI from scratch would be a good starting point). The problem is that the UI limitations are not even being acknowledged. So, if Kawai keeps this "you are holding it wrong" attitude, the GUI will be nothing else but a missed opportunity that will fail to show its potential superiority over archaic interfaces like the one on the N1X (that can be paired to an app btw).

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Originally Posted by JoeT
Welcome to the 1980s! laugh


On the plus side, when you start playing, the SSD's go completely black, not "backlit black." This has been a complaint about the NV10, and I suspect as this instrument is really geared to acoustic players, is a nod to that.

I will miss being able to easily make changes to the tone like I could with the CLP-685, but as noted, I can do it on my phone (though not through bluetooth, which is annoying, I need either a cable or wifi adapter.)


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Originally Posted by JoeT
Originally Posted by Gombessa
I'm sure the enjoyment will be the same with the N1X, and of course it would be very nice if you AG owners don't have to deal with the various growing pains of a new model/category/UI like some of your hybrid brethren have wink

At least the user interface of the AvantGrand N1X series is the exact opposite of the Novus NV-10:

Remember this?

Welcome to the 1980s! laugh

I believe the idea is that a real GUI for the N1X is being provided via a phone/tablet interface.

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I will miss being able to easily make changes to the tone like I could with the CLP-685, but as noted, I can do it on my phone (though not through bluetooth, which is annoying, I need either a cable or wifi adapter.)

Are you saying that the N1X does not support bluetooth connection to a phone/tablet? I thought that's what was added in the N1X over the N1.


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Originally Posted by JoeT

Welcome to the 1980s! laugh


Oh, I see that nearly every day smile

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
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Are you saying that the N1X does not support bluetooth connection to a phone/tablet? I thought that's what was added in the N1X over the N1.


This is the one thing I found annoying about the NU1X, the need to get a separate Wi-Fi adapter. Anything designed and built in the last few years should have all wireless connectivity built in. If some markets prohibit it the. available at a low price.

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Speaking for the NU1X I think the interface is fine and I like the minimalist approach. Of course I pretty much just turn it on an start playing. I rarely change the settings and if its more than the piano voice or reverb I use the app. I think the Avante Grand series is geared towards those who treat it more like an acoustic piano with headphones.


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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Are you saying that the N1X does not support bluetooth connection to a phone/tablet? I thought that's what was added in the N1X over the N1.


Though it supports a bluetooth connection, it's only for audio playback from a device over the piano. There's no bluetooth midi support (and I could be wrong, but I don't think any Yamaha DP's support bluetooth midi yet.) So honestly, IMHO, the bluetooth support is pretty useless. I connected my phone to my CLP-685 a couple of times for novelty, but it really serves no purpose for me to listen to music through my piano speakers.

This pdf covers the way you can connect to a "smart device": https://usa.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/6/725646/iphone_ipad_connect_en_om_j0.pdf

There were other additions from the N1 however, the modern sound engine and the USB audio interface not the least among them.

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TBH, I never bothered playing around with the menu on my NU1X, I rarely even changed voices. I simply turned on the piano and played. And BTW the reverb button has a LED next to it which is lit by default and I would have preferred if nothing was visible there. While I can certainly understand how a fancy touchscreen interface is the norm nowadays and I agree with that, I would personally prefer even more concealed approach as on the N3X where the panel is hidden beneath the piano. These are premium pianos meant to replace a grand piano and I don’t see them needing any complicated interface at all. The less, the better IMO.


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