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Open call for advice from fellow late starters
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Hello, this is my first ever post. I am new to piano but have played stringed instruments most of my life. I am dedicating myself to the piano from here on out (it's good to see it in writing and say that out loud). My wife and I are retired nomads. Everything we own has to fit in our car so I need a portable piano. I prefer to stay in the 25 lb. range as we are traveling to europe for 3 months and I want to take it with me.

I need help deciding on a piano. I am really looking hard at the Yamaha P125. It seems that there are a couple others to consider like the Casio and Roland. I dont know enough about "feel" to say one way or another but from what I read it is high on alot of people's lists. I do like the sound of the P125 and the speaker arrangement and it feels good to me. The price is good but I am OK going higher if jumping up to another category is beneficial (the new casio 3000 something or other, not sure). So please chime in.

I really chased a lot of rabbits over the years as a guitar player and never got very good. This time I am going to give it my full effort and attention and I want to do it right. I will take my time and finally learn to sight read.
Since I will be on the road I would also like advice as to skype teachers, software (playground, etc.) or anything else that will help a 56 year old ride this horse all the way to the finish line. Thank you.

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Re: Open call for advice from fellow late starters
stevechris #2828328 03/18/19 02:28 PM
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I gave a brief review of some entry-level digital pianos that I own or tried over in this thread. However, in the under-25 lb category, two newcomers that you should consider are the Casio PX-S1000 and PX-S3000, both of which are exactly the same weight of 24.7 lbs. There are some reviews of these on Youtube, and these two pianos/models were just released at the end of January 2019. As a nomad, you might appreciate also that these new pianos can even be powered by battery.


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One thing that nearly everyone agrees on is that the technology used in digitals advances quickly. I'm not up on the current crop but it sounds like you're choosing between some decent models. I'm pretty partial to Yamaha, myself.

I have a very similar background, started very late, played guitar forever, etc. I really like PianoMarvel for learning. I think they have a free trial. This assumes you'll have a laptop or tablet and that WIFI is as common in Europe as it is here.

I really hate to break this to ya, but there ain't no finish line! smile

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I was referring to my expiration date smile

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Originally Posted by stevechris
I was referring to my expiration date smile


Well than hop to it and start playing/learning to tickle the ivories smile


All these years playing and I still consider myself a novice.
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I have a Casio PX5s that is under 25 pounds and can be run on batteries. It doesn't have speakers though. I use it mainly with headphones for night time practice and sometimes to use at church.


All these years playing and I still consider myself a novice.
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Originally Posted by stevechris
I was referring to my expiration date smile


Well than hop to it and start playing/learning to tickle the ivories smile


As soon as I find the right piano, I'll be off and running!

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You sound a lot like me, I started playing a year and a half ago after I retired after playing bass and guitar most of my life. I also have a p115 keyboard which I guess is one model older then the one you are looking at. I am completely happy with this keyboard. I have chased many a guitar over the years but thus far not had that problem with my keyboard. Is it the best? No but it is a way better keyboard than I am player. I think it sounds ok and the action is good enough to learn. I am doing the Duane Shinn course but it definitely is not for everyone. If you are interested I can pm you the name of a fantastic Skype teacher

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Originally Posted by dcupright
You sound a lot like me, I started playing a year and a half ago after I retired after playing bass and guitar most of my life. I also have a p115 keyboard which I guess is one model older then the one you are looking at. I am completely happy with this keyboard. I have chased many a guitar over the years but thus far not had that problem with my keyboard. Is it the best? No but it is a way better keyboard than I am player. I think it sounds ok and the action is good enough to learn. I am doing the Duane Shinn course but it definitely is not for everyone. If you are interested I can pm you the name of a fantastic Skype teacher


Please PM me, very interested. I have never heard of the Duane Shinn course but I will google it now.

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Welcome Stevechris! I think it's pretty smart to limit weight for traveling reasons. My digital is about that weight and I take it with me if I'm traveling by car. You need to have a nice case to protect it (with roller wheels). The other issue is the length. I can just barely fit mine in the back seat (toyota avalon - big car). I point this out because if you are renting a car in EU, they are usually not big enough to carry a full size piano...not to mention taking on a train. I like your enthusiasm, it's important when learning piano because it is difficult - but a fantastic retirement activity!


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I have a Yamaha P-115 and I've traveled with it on vacation (driving, no flying). No issues carrying it and set up and tear down is easy. My digital feels different than my teacher's acoustic but not so much it hurts my practice for lessons. After 1.5 years I do sort of want a better DP but that's probably not a need, just a want.

Lots of good information here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/piano/wiki/faq#wiki_choosing_a_keyboard

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Friends in the past going to Europe for extended vacation found it easier to buy something once there, especially if you can find something used. When vacation over sell it or donate it.

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Originally Posted by Docbop
Friends in the past going to Europe for extended vacation found it easier to buy something once there, especially if you can find something used. When vacation over sell it or donate it.

Depending on the brand, some brands are also significantly cheaper to buy in Europe than in the US. For examples of this, check the prices paid thread in the digital piano forum over here.


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I also came from other instruments to the piano late in life. I wanted to learn piano in the same way as guitar, start with some chords and easy songs and advance from there.
I found a free site, www.pianoplayit.com - (no affiliation) and started with the accompany section. They use popular songs you probably know, to get you started.
Made sense to me.

Good luck!

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Last year I was in Hong Kong and came across Roland Go & Go: Keys. These 2 are very similar 61 keyboards that are portable. Recently Roland came out with an 88 version around US$400. I play on an older model Yamaha P95 with 88 keys. The sound effects may be limited but for serious piano players all we want is a reasonable piano sound and at least 76 keys for playing advanced Classical pieces.

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Originally Posted by Docbop
Friends in the past going to Europe for extended vacation found it easier to buy something once there, especially if you can find something used. When vacation over sell it or donate it.


This would be my advice.

I would not haul that piano over to Europe or back, either.


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Thank you everyone for the great advice and suggestions!

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For me, schlepping 25 pounds of keyboard for 3 months would wreck my enthusiasm for both the trip and the piano.

I took a keyboard on a road trip to San Diego one time, and played it once in a week and I only had to carry it up one flight of stairs to one hotel room and down again. (I was practicing during the GOP convention when the current president received his party's nomination).

For a 3 mo. adventure, I'd listen to music, read books, GO TO CONCERTS, look at stuff and take pictures. I'd be with my travelling companion. Talk to people in bars and cafes. Eat new stuff. Walk around and get lost. Learn words in a new language.

If I were worried about the time away limiting my access to my musical progress I would GO TO MORE CONCERTS and maybe do music theory worksheets on my ipad.

25 pounds? Not a chance.


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Oh-- I just thought of another thing--

You could go to Bulgaria, stay with Philip and play his crazy stable of pianos.

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2751492/piano-party-july-2019.html#Post2751492


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Everything is a trade-off. I have a Casio Privia PX-350 which is great for quiet practice at home. The weighted keys make a big difference in my opinion compared to a keyboard. But, the trade-off is weight (24 lbs). It comes with a soft shell case with wheels which I have traveled with on car trips, RV camping and the like but flying and pulling through airports would be bit of a hassle. I had a lighter weight keyboard prior, but the lack of weighted keys just felt too cheap and not at all like an acoustic piano. If you can, i'd suggest trying out various models until you find something with a feel that suits you.

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