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Does this picture indicate that only C, D, F and G in the Treble clef and Bass Clef are to played as sharps, (inferring that A, B and E are natural?).

If not, would someone kindly explain what this notation indicates?

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C,D,F and G are sharp in both clefs. A, B, and E are natural in both clefs.

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The key signature of four sharps indicates that the piece is in E-major (or C-sharp minor). The four sharps indicate that all F's, C's, G's, and D's are sharped wherever they occur in the piece unless momentarily cancelled by a natural sign.

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Thank you both so much. Re-learning to read music at 53. Last time was playing clarinet in elementary school; where I never saw such notation as above.


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It must all seem very new to you. In time, it will become second nature. It always does.

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Originally Posted by SparkyLB
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Does this picture indicate that only C, D, F and G in the Treble clef and Bass Clef are to played as sharps, (inferring that A, B and E are natural?).

If not, would someone kindly explain what this notation indicates?

This will get you started on key signatures:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_signature


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I am not 100% sure of this …. but ….

It isn't really necessary to put the key signature in BOTH clefs.

If it were only in the treble (or bass) clef it would apply to both clefs.

The sharp (or flat) refers to a particular NOTE being sharped regardless of where it occurs.


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Originally Posted by dmd
I am not 100% sure of this …. but ….

It isn't really necessary to put the key signature in BOTH clefs.



Key signatures are always appended to both clefs and they always appear at the beginning of a new line, whereas the time signature only appears at the start.

Have a look at this - the key signature (in both clefs always) changes at 1:28 but the time signature is unchanged, so there is no need to repeat the time signature again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4XEPdYO5mM


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Originally Posted by dmd
I am not 100% sure of this …. but ….

It isn't really necessary to put the key signature in BOTH clefs.

If it were only in the treble (or bass) clef it would apply to both clefs.

The sharp (or flat) refers to a particular NOTE being sharped regardless of where it occurs.





The signature only refers to the clef in which it is written. Of course in practice it's always the same for each clef, except when it isn't...

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Originally Posted by dmd
I am not 100% sure of this …. but ….
It isn't really necessary to put the key signature in BOTH clefs. If it were only in the treble (or bass) clef it would apply to both clefs. The sharp (or flat) refers to a particular NOTE being sharped regardless of where it occurs.

It is standard practice to put the key signature in both clefs. There are pieces (some already mentioned) that have different key signatures in each clef--Bartok's Mikrokosmos has a number of pieces that way.


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For me memorizing the order the Sharps and Flats come in helps a lot.

Order of b's

B E A D G C F

Order of #'s

F C G D A E B

Notice of the order of #'s is the reverse of the order of b's.

Also the last flat is a fourth above the key so one flat (Bb) the key is F. three flats (Bb, Eb, Ab) the key is Eb. With sharps the last sharp is one semi-tone below the key, so one sharp (F#) the key is G. Three sharps (F# C# G#) the key is A. Music is based on math and there are patterns you can use to check yourself or to figure out the answers.


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