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Reading tips / help please. #2827124
03/15/19 10:55 AM
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This seems like the place to ask beginner level questions so please may I?
About me; You will have heard my story many times over - I took some lessons years ago and recently found myself wanting to get back in. I was being tutored back then and although I took some lessons over some years I don't think i ever got out of the gate really. I have next to no skill and zero confidence but i want that to change. At this point I have very basic reading skills, given a simple enough piece and enough time to study it and practice I can get a melody and baseline going.

So anyway, with a renewed gusto and a determined mindset that this time i will self study, i found myself here looking for music to play. Beatles, that's a good place to start right? simple, easy and everyone knows the tunes.
Penny lane, that's a goodun I say to myself and then BOOM i hit my first snag.

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Could someone please explain how the left hand is played here? the upper G&B combo seems to be held whilst also hitting a lower G and descending still further in crotchets. The stretch isn't possible?
I have not graduated to pedalling yet, but i am not sure that is the answer either as wouldn't all the notes sound mushy?

thank you.

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Re: Reading tips / help please. [Re: OMAW3D] #2827135
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Originally Posted by OMAW3D

So anyway, with a renewed gusto and a determined mindset that this time i will self study, i found myself here looking for music to play. Beatles, that's a good place to start right? simple, easy and everyone knows the tunes.
Penny lane, that's a goodun I say to myself and then BOOM i hit my first snag.

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Could someone please explain how the left hand is played here? the upper G&B combo seems to be held whilst also hitting a lower G and descending still further in crotchets. The stretch isn't possible?
I have not graduated to pedalling yet, but i am not sure that is the answer either as wouldn't all the notes sound mushy?

You've discovered the pitfalls of playing poorly arranged pop music on the piano.

If you really don't want to go the classical route, you'll have to learn for yourself what notes you can leave out (or redistribute) from rubbish arrangements like the one you're playing. (Read the thread next to yours). For instance, you can play the semibreve B with RH thumb and the other semibreve (G) with LH thumb, and just let them go later if you need the fingers.

Alternatively, sing the melody and accompany yourself on the piano, leaving out all the melody notes. That's what Lennon would do........ wink


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Re: Reading tips / help please. [Re: OMAW3D] #2827153
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I agree with Bennevis, bad arrangers will just put on the score, the bass, the guitar and the melody on top and expect pianist to stretch their hands. Beatles songs are very popular and there is some good arrangements, like the one from Philip Keveren.



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Re: Reading tips / help please. [Re: Serge88] #2827157
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Originally Posted by Serge88
I agree with Bennevis, bad arrangers will just put on the score, the bass, the guitar and the melody on top .....


I've found a few with typos or just plain wrong notes. Its annoying to be learning a new piece and something just doesn't sound right, until I fool around with it awhile and find out what it should be instead.

Re: Reading tips / help please. [Re: OMAW3D] #2827167
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Ace, so its just a poor arrangement. That's fine, i can ignore or change bits enough to get through it or just find something else to play. My working theory was that i was missing some technique.

Is there a good place to get sheet music suited to beginners like myself?


thank you!

Re: Reading tips / help please. [Re: Pau Gasol] #2827204
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Originally Posted by Pau Gasol
Originally Posted by Serge88
I agree with Bennevis, bad arrangers will just put on the score, the bass, the guitar and the melody on top .....


I've found a few with typos or just plain wrong notes. Its annoying to be learning a new piece and something just doesn't sound right, until I fool around with it awhile and find out what it should be instead.


That's what i do with Fake Books if I find a part that doesn't sound quite right. Just sort of fix it for my ear and move on.


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Re: Reading tips / help please. [Re: OMAW3D] #2827224
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You want "Level 1" song books like Alfred's Greatest Hits Level 1.


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Re: Reading tips / help please. [Re: OMAW3D] #2827230
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There are times you find arrangements of music where notes are too far apart to be played with 1 hand. A lot of times Iโ€™d move notes up / down an octave so they are closer together. The other option is to leave certain notes out like a repeated note in a lower octave. As long as you keep the top melody note untouched should be OK.

Nowadays people can do all sorts of arrangements on a computer without actually trying them to see if theyโ€™re playable.

An arrangement like the one you posted the original may have been for 2 or more instruments. Might be better if you have someone else playing a second piano / keyboard...

Re: Reading tips / help please. [Re: OMAW3D] #2827277
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I'd been wanting to learn some popular tunes on my own outside lessons which are all classical repertoire (which I prefer to have paper sheet music for.) I got a monthly subscription to Sheet Music Direct: https://www.sheetmusicdirect.com/en-US/subscription

It's $10 a month and "all you can eat", it's got a really good selection of popular tunes and they are professionally arranged and they have all levels. It's pretty perfect for my needs. The "catch" is that you can't download the sheet music (unlike Virtual Sheet Music, where you can download all you want on the subscription, but the download library is only stuff out of copyright, so it's not great for learning pop stuff.) With a little cleverness you could potentially figure out how to keep it on your computer anyway but that would probably be violating copyrights and you shouldn't do it.

I swear I'm not a paid shill even though reading what I wrote it kind of sounds like it smile I was just in the same boat as you and finding the free arrangements on places like MuseScore to be severely lacking, like your example.

BTW, for your example, if it were me, I'd transpose the G3 to a G2, play that in the left hand with L1 holding the G2, and then I'd play the B3 in the right holding it with the R1. I tried it and it's totally doable, and sounds OK to me.

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Re: Reading tips / help please. [Re: OMAW3D] #2827299
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[spoiler][/spoiler]On Sheetmusicdirect you should be able to print it to a PDF file and save it. At worst print it and scan it back to your computer. I have not encountered a problem on any of these sites printing a copy. Unless that is the catch with the monthly subscription? I just pay for each score. $4 to $5. You bought it, so how is it a copyright violation to print it for your own use?

In the OPโ€™s score, the left hand plays both Gโ€™s, and the riight hand plays both Bโ€™s. Just because the note is in the base staff doesnโ€™t mean you have to play it with your left hand. Or did someone already say that?

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Re: Reading tips / help please. [Re: OMAW3D] #2827340
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Itโ€™s those descending quarters on the left hand that make it problematic when you are trying to do it without pedal (and with the runs pedal wouldnโ€™t sound good anyway) unless you have freakish Rachmaninov hands.


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