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Re: Help me out, am I crazy? [Re: Brian Sweeney] #2822649
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I dont care much about steinway. Ok it's a good piano. But just one among others. Maybe because I am from Europe? I don't know. But when i was in America for the first time i realized the great admiration and worshiping existing there about Steinway. As it was more than a piano kind of a magical mystical object. Bosendorfer, steingraeber, bechstein , fazioli, sauter... didnt exist at all for the people there. WHATTT??!!! Hard to believe until you see it with your own eyes.

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Re: Help me out, am I crazy? [Re: Brian Sweeney] #2823054
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It's going to be your piano, you're going to play it and listen to it, so you have to enjoy it. Therefore, bottom line is to trust your judgement. I am a Steinway owner (Model B -7'). I haven't found a piano I enjoy under 6 feet long in any brand b/c of the lack of bass, and I prefer 6'5"+ in size. I really enjoy my Steinway, BUT I do not enjoy all Steinway pianos. I enjoy them when they are built and prepared properly! Yamaha's tend to be more consistent overall than Steinway's. It appears that Steinway is doing a better job out of the factory these days, but in my opinion, it's all in the prep.

There is a lot of lure, mystic, and prestige attached to the Steinway name. But please don't let that cloud your judgement. You can probably find a nice Baldwin, Yamaha, Kawai, or Mason & Hamlin grand -- probably larger than an S&S S or M -- for much less money that you would enjoy more.

Maybe you should play more Steinway's including different sizes before you move on, just to solidify your preferences. Since you're in New York, maybe a trip to Steinway Hall, Faust Harrison, or Lindeblad (NJ) would be advantageous. In those showrooms, you could probably play a variety of Steinway pianos of all sizes and get a true feel for them and what you should be looking for before you completely pass judgement on them. Then you'll know what you really want.

But whatever you do -- DO NOT buy a Steinway just to own a Steinway! Really bad move!! It's not easy to sell / trade a piano with out loosing a lot of money in the short term!

Re: Help me out, am I crazy? [Re: Brian Sweeney] #2826336
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Thanks everyone for what's obviously great advice. Brian

Re: Help me out, am I crazy? [Re: Brian Sweeney] #2826350
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My 2¢ for free... We played the Steinways and I had the same feeling. I didn't see what the big deal was about. I liked our big Baldwin much more. They seemed to subtle or too brash for me. I didn't find my happy sound there. I TOTALLY assume that my ears are not appreciating what they have, but still, we like what we like. Fortunately I like inexpensive wine, too. wink

Re: Help me out, am I crazy? [Re: Brian Sweeney] #2826354
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I relish the opportunity to deprogram a customer and let them form a real, honest opinion about the pianos actually in front of them. For many pianists that are forming their first few experiences, their tastes may change, but it is even harder to change an opinion once formed. When your skill level is low, it's hard not to rely on others, but a few good tests are accessible even for beginners.

Test the piano for soft play. Will it play softly enough and is it very difficult to play softly? Then play through more of the dynamic range to hear now the sound changes. By design, pianos do this differently...does it give tonal change (color) and do you like the way that it changes? Finally, come back to the middle. Liking the tone when you play something simple is too often first, rather than the last test. Pianos really separate themselves at the edges (of the keyboard or of the dynamic range), and it is fair to presume your skill level will improve. When that happens (intermediate level, not virtuosity), the 3-Dimentional aspects of the piano become most important, not the simple song in the middle.

When customers accept this and use this type of method for evaluating, their confidence in their choice goes way, way up. At that point, people have a greater respect for the variety of choices available to them and may truly respect a brand even if it isn't their first choice.


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Re: Help me out, am I crazy? [Re: Snail] #2826355
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Originally Posted by Snail
I dont care much about steinway. Ok it's a good piano. But just one among others. Maybe because I am from Europe? I don't know. But when i was in America for the first time i realized the great admiration and worshiping existing there about Steinway. As it was more than a piano kind of a magical mystical object. Bosendorfer, steingraeber, bechstein , fazioli, sauter... didnt exist at all for the people there. WHATTT??!!! Hard to believe until you see it with your own eyes.


There's a fair amount of (justified) Mason & Hamlin worship in America, too. And a lot of the more open-minded adored Baldwin. But, Steinway and Yamaha seem to dominate.

I would love to get my hands on a Steingraeber or a Bechstein. Bosendorfers come thru my neck of the woods (for those with deep pockets). And we're up to our ears in Schimmels. 😁


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Re: Help me out, am I crazy? [Re: Brian Sweeney] #2826389
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To me, Steinways are the most inconsistent pianos ever. Some are fabulous, some are not.

Re: Help me out, am I crazy? [Re: PianoWorksATL] #2826397
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Originally Posted by PianoWorksATL

Test the piano for soft play. Will it play softly enough and is it very difficult to play softly? Then play through more of the dynamic range to hear now the sound changes. By design, pianos do this differently...does it give tonal change (color) and do you like the way that it changes? Finally, come back to the middle. Liking the tone when you play something simple is too often first, rather than the last test. Pianos really separate themselves at the edges (of the keyboard or of the dynamic range), and it is fair to presume your skill level will improve. When that happens (intermediate level, not virtuosity), the 3-Dimentional aspects of the piano become most important, not the simple song in the middle.
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What great advice

Re: Help me out, am I crazy? [Re: PianoWorksATL] #2826524
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Originally Posted by PianoWorksATL
I relish the opportunity to deprogram a customer and let them form a real, honest opinion about the pianos actually in front of them. For many pianists that are forming their first few experiences, their tastes may change, but it is even harder to change an opinion once formed. When your skill level is low, it's hard not to rely on others, but a few good tests are accessible even for beginners.

Test the piano for soft play. Will it play softly enough and is it very difficult to play softly? Then play through more of the dynamic range to hear now the sound changes. By design, pianos do this differently...does it give tonal change (color) and do you like the way that it changes? Finally, come back to the middle. Liking the tone when you play something simple is too often first, rather than the last test. Pianos really separate themselves at the edges (of the keyboard or of the dynamic range), and it is fair to presume your skill level will improve. When that happens (intermediate level, not virtuosity), the 3-Dimentional aspects of the piano become most important, not the simple song in the middle.

When customers accept this and use this type of method for evaluating, their confidence in their choice goes way, way up. At that point, people have a greater respect for the variety of choices available to them and may truly respect a brand even if it isn't their first choice.

Agreed, great answer - been there, done that!!


Alan from Queensland, Australia (and Clara - my Grotrian Concert & Allen Organ (CF-17a)).
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