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Karwai vs Schimmel Uprights #2825113
03/10/19 10:55 PM
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Hi! I'm an adult beginner/intermediate player who wants to switch from digital to acoustic piano. I went to various stores and tried out Yamaha (JX113 & U1J), Essex (EUP116, EUP123), Kawai (K15, ND21, K300, K500, K600) and Schimmel (C126 Classic & K132 Koncert).

Honestly, I loved the sound and action on Schimmel but that is a bit beyond my budget (not beyond affordability), so I'm thinking of sticking with Kawai.

But, one of the stores informed me that Steinway has come up with a new offer where the cost of a piano (either Essex, Boston or S&S) will be completely adjusted with a new purchase of either of these 3 brands if purchased within 10 years.

My main concern is that I do not want to think about replacing the piano for at least next 5-6 years. Here are the local prices (converted to USD) of the models I'm considering:

1. Kawai K500 $8300
2. Kawai K800 $10600
3. Essex EUP123 $10400
4. Schimmel C126 $17300
5. Schimmel K132 $24300

Are the higher end models of Essex/Boston/Steinway worth it to purchase it now and replace with a better one within 10 years with the whole price ($10400) being adjusted in that purchase?

Is it worth spending the extra bucks on Schimmel rather that going for Kawai, which I feel fulfils my needs as of now. Also, I looked up the prices of Schimmel in other countries and found that I'm getting a big discount here as compared with other markets, should I take advantage of that disparity in price?

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Re: Karwai vs Schimmel Uprights [Re: saksham] #2825153
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Hi saksham, it seems to me that you make a good case for buying a Kawai, but an even better case for getting a Schimmel. The Schimmel pianos you have tried speak to your ears and your heart, so since you've got the money for one and the price is fair, my best advice is that given often on this forum: Get the best piano you can afford; you will never regret it. I hope that helps, but I think you have to follow your heart.


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Re: Karwai vs Schimmel Uprights [Re: saksham] #2825155
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The best upright I've ever played was a SCHIMMEL - but the KAWAI K series are very good. One of those would probably have been what I'd have bought if I didn't go for a grand.

You mentioned the YAMAHA JX113 & U1J - they're Indonesian, and no match to the YAMAHAs made in Japan. I checked them out for Mum a few years ago, she bought the YUS1 which was far superior. The YAMAHA YUS series is their equivalent to the KAWAI K series.

(I wouldn't consider an ESSEX.)


Alan from Queensland, Australia (and Clara - my Grotrian Concert & Allen Organ (CF-17a)).
Re: Karwai vs Schimmel Uprights [Re: backto_study_piano] #2825175
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Originally Posted by backto_study_piano
The best upright I've ever played was a SCHIMMEL - but the KAWAI K series are very good. One of those would probably have been what I'd have bought if I didn't go for a grand.

You mentioned the YAMAHA JX113 & U1J - they're Indonesian, and no match to the YAMAHAs made in Japan. I checked them out for Mum a few years ago, she bought the YUS1 which was far superior. The YAMAHA YUS series is their equivalent to the KAWAI K series.

(I wouldn't consider an ESSEX.)


Thanks for your input Alan! I too wanted to try Japanese made YAMAHAs before deciding, but the only models available in the stores are Indonesian. I would definitely give the YUS series a try if I can before buying!

Re: Karwai vs Schimmel Uprights [Re: saksham] #2825196
03/11/19 04:43 AM
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If the price holds you back when it comes to buying a Schimmel don't be afraid to look to a smaller model. Especially if you're also looking at smaller Kawai's. I play a Schimmel 116 Classic and although I might be biased it is a wonderful instrument which punches well above its weight. As you might have read/tried those uprights do sound and play very well but it doesn't stop there: They hold tunings very well and it happens often that after half a year the tuning is almost equal to a week after tuning. The sound of the bigger Schimmels is of course bigger but I would not necessarily say better. Especially the bass of the 116 is very good and not just for its size. The touch is very good, maybe lighter then you're used to. In my opinion the Kawai's and Yamaha's don't even come close, let alone an Essex.

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Re: Karwai vs Schimmel Uprights [Re: WimPiano] #2825277
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Originally Posted by WimPiano
If the price holds you back when it comes to buying a Schimmel don't be afraid to look to a smaller model. Especially if you're also looking at smaller Kawai's. I play a Schimmel 116 Classic and although I might be biased it is a wonderful instrument which punches well above its weight. As you might have read/tried those uprights do sound and play very well but it doesn't stop there: They hold tunings very well and it happens often that after half a year the tuning is almost equal to a week after tuning. The sound of the bigger Schimmels is of course bigger but I would not necessarily say better. Especially the bass of the 116 is very good and not just for its size. The touch is very good, maybe lighter then you're used to. In my opinion the Kawai's and Yamaha's don't even come close, let alone an Essex.


What would your say be on the Fridolin series of Schimmel?

Re: Karwai vs Schimmel Uprights [Re: saksham] #2825289
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I haven't played them, they seem to be in a different league according to piano buyer. I did like Vogel (now Wilhelm Schimmel).

Re: Karwai vs Schimmel Uprights [Re: saksham] #2825427
03/11/19 01:37 PM
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For what it is worth, I would pretty much agree with the advice you have received so far.

I like Kawai instruments a lot.

The prices you have been quoted for the Kawai verticals are quite fair.

The Essex price that you mention above is an insult to one's intelligence. Enough said.


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Re: Karwai vs Schimmel Uprights [Re: saksham] #2825903
03/12/19 01:52 PM
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The Fridolins are designed by Schimmel just as Essex is designed by Steinway. Fridolin is Schimmel's way of offering an affordable version to folks with very limited budget. Fridolins are made by Pearl River, same as Essex. In our store the Fridolins ranges around 5-6k brand new. They are still wonderful pianos.

But if you can afford the Schimmel..... there's your answer right there!(My opinion only) Schimmel makes top quality uprights. I've had customers tell me they like the Schimmel action even better than Bösendorfers!


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Re: Karwai vs Schimmel Uprights [Re: saksham] #2826025
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If you can ,go for the Schimmel K132 .Of course everyone here expects me to say that .I have tried a smaller Schimmel Classic series. It was about 44 inches high.The sound seem to lack clarity
It also needed tuning and was surrounded by tall uprights.So it was
difficult to judge
Kawai. 500 and 800 would be my next choice .


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