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Rubinstein appreciation thread #2824034
03/07/19 11:23 PM
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Post your favorite Rubinstein moments.

A few of mine:

The way he handles the A material here is hilariously good.



He's the only person I've ever heard convincingly play 4:23 to the cadence.



3:58 to coda runs + coda runs.



Entire double tempo portion. Only person who doesn't rush it.









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Re: Rubinstein appreciation thread [Re: JoelW] #2824424
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I guess nobody likes Rubinstein.

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My favourite Rubinstein recording is the box set I have, because it has all of his Chopin. grin

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I've enjoyed Rubinstein's Chopin throughout my life. In fact, he indirectly introduced me to the nocturnes and polonaises. Fifty plus years ago we had a very good reel-to-reel player and I brought this monster up to my bedroom and loaded a tape of him playing all the Nocturnes and Polonaises my older brother had made. I remember being absolutely captivated and listened to them over and over again every night staying up late and even falling asleep to him playing. This lasted for months until my father heard the music late one night and yelled at me for wasting electricity hehe and I had to bring it back down. His early recordings of the concerti were quite virtuostic proving he definitely had a fine technique.

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Rubenstein is the pianist I regard as playing classic Chopin. I appreciate his far- reaching acquaintance with the wide range of Copin’s compositions. He plays with an impeccable respect for the essence of the composition along with an old world charm . His interpretive style is personalized but not indulgent nor distracting. . His interpretation of the Polinaise Fantasy is One of the few readings which keeps the motivic material binding the whole piece together.
Do a Google search for “The Brahms I Love” and find Rubenstein playing one of the ultimate most insightful interpretations of the four Ballades op.10 by Brahms, along with other cherished selections Of Brahms.

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Besides Chopin--
One lonely night, I was emotionally charged by discovering Tchaikovsky's Piano Trio, through Rubinstein-Heifetz-Piatigorsky. I was already in a mood over something, but--the music engrossed me.

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Agreed - Rubinstein's Piano Trios with Heifetz and Piatigorsky are really special. Their Mendelssohn 1 Trio recording is one of my favorites. There is a slight cut in their video of the first movement, but still tons of fun to watch - Rubinstein's page turning skills are some of the best I have seen! His playing is pretty fantastic as well (as are Heietz and Piatigorsky)



As far as the rest of my favorites, too many to choose from. I was fortunate to get his massive box ( http://amazon.com/dp/B006KAWI2C ) a few years back when it was in production for about $100. I really like comparing the 3 different sets of Chopin Nocturnes he recorded and hearing how his interpretations evolved time.

Re: Rubinstein appreciation thread [Re: JoelW] #2859453
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Bump! For my favorite pianist.

Originally Posted by JoelW
I guess nobody likes Rubinstein.


NOT TRUE!

To this day, I really do not understand why Rubinstein isn't more talked about, or held in higher regard. It seems especially true for people of my generation (I'm 31 now), and I really do feel out of touch with my peers. They talk of Pogorelich or Ashkenazy or Zimmerman etc. - who are great pianists in their own ways - but Rubinstein hardly gets mentioned, and whenever I happen to bring his name up, it gets brushed aside with one or two snide or dismissive remarks about his playing.

For me personally, his interpretations have that golden balance of musical logic and emotion/passion that I just don't hear in others. His rubato especially - they are so well placed, timed, and thought out. And my goodness, when you watch him play and he reaches a piece's climax and his entire body lifts off the piano bench and you hear that wonderful sonority...goosebumps. No other pianist really makes me feel the music as Rubinstein does, except perhaps Rachmaninoff, and maybe Horowitz in some choice repertoire (e.g. Scriabin). But for Chopin obviously, and actually a lot of other composers like Schumann and Brahms, and even some Beethoven, I can't really get myself to listen to other pianists after having gotten used to Rubinstein's interpretations.

Originally Posted by JoelW
Post your favorite Rubinstein moments.




59:56 to 1:00:08 - from the "March" in Schumann's "Carnaval"...just wow.



8:55 - 9:16 - nobody plays the coda of Chopin's C# Minor Etude (Op. 10 No. 4) better or as passionately as Rubinstein does, bringing out the bass octave melody brilliantly, and building up to that E at the end of the last arpeggio.



5:29 onwards - the ending of the Saint-Saens Piano Concerto in G Minor.

I have so many other "moments", but just the ones that come to mind now...

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Re: Rubinstein appreciation thread [Re: PianoYos] #2859460
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Originally Posted by PianoYos
They talk of Pogorelich or Ashkenazy or Zimmerman etc. - who are great pianists in their own ways - but Rubinstein hardly gets mentioned, and whenever I happen to bring his name up, it gets brushed aside with one or two snide or dismissive remarks about his playing.


That surprises me. I don't think Ashkenazy is as talked about as he was twenty years ago, which I think is a shame. I always assumed Rubinstein had a god-like stature in the piano world. It's sad that upcoming generations may not know him very well.

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Originally Posted by johnstaf
That surprises me. I don't think Ashkenazy is as talked about as he was twenty years ago, which I think is a shame. I always assumed Rubinstein had a god-like stature in the piano world. It's sad that upcoming generations may not know him very well.


I wouldn't give what I said too much weight...I've never been to a music school or a conservatory or anything like that so my musical circle is somewhat limited, just speaking from experience. I think most people know of him, just don't appreciate his music as much. I do have a lot of respect for Ashkenazy too...I sometimes get the impression he's recorded the entire active piano literature.

Re: Rubinstein appreciation thread [Re: JoelW] #2859488
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I think Rubinstein was a very great pianist but somewhat overrated because of his charismatic stage presence.

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I like Rubinstein simply because of his recordings. I'm sorry I never witnessed a live performance. He and Kempff would be at the top of my list if I could go back in time.

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I think he was the best that ever lived. His (too few) Liszt recordings are my favorites; they are all perfect.

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Rubinstein is my go to guy if I feel like listening to Chopin, among others. Just magnificent, warm, balanced, epic.

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This is magic on vinyl (particularly the 3rd mvt.):



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And some Debussy:



And some fire:





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Re: Rubinstein appreciation thread [Re: JoelW] #2859912
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That reminds me, he did play Spanish music inimitably...

I also love his recording of Rachmaninoff's Second Piano Concerto:


I certainly wish I could've attended some of his concerts too...

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There are fascinating stories in his two-volume autobiography “My Young Years” and “My Many Years”, some of which likely were embellished a bit, at least some of them in My Young Years.

Rubinstein had a natural virtuosity and when he was young felt like he could get by without working very hard at piano. He had a bit of a mid-life crisis when in his late 30’s or early 40’s he heard Vladimir Horowitz play, and got to serious work to ensure that he could cement his legacy into music history.

I had the good fortune of taking some lessons from a Polish concert pianist who was a personal friend of Rubinstein and relayed to me that hearing Rubinstein play informally in a salon setting was absolutely sublime. I never heard Rubinstein perform live.

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I read his two autobiographies a while ago, but I remember them making a great impression on me, especially his anecdotes of his interactions with colorful personalities and legends like Heifetz and de Pachmann.

On a side note, I was fortunate enough to have met Lady Weidenfeld once in London, we had tea together and just talked for hours and hours about Rubinstein. I still look back fondly to it and it is still definitely one of the highlights of my life.

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I loved Rubinstein's recordings eg Mozart Concertos in
A major K488 and the C major K (?)but it is no 21
Also the Moonlight Sonata


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