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Fair enough Animisha, but you're a student and not a teacher, right?

I read the initial post as being directed to teachers to send videos of their students and that didn't make sense to me. If a "teacher" couldn't figure out how to correct a student's playing without sending a video to someone else, then he or she needs to find another line of work.

Yes, I am very much a student.

This:

I'm going to nuance this a bit. Think of what happens in competitions, when students have to play before judges, who are usually just other teachers. I would ask for second opinions from experts I trust, but I would be very cautious about whom I would ask.

It wouldn't be someone I just met on the Net, not without building up a relationship and trust, and that would happen over time.

Vladimir may be amazing, or he may be a quack. That's the point. I don't know yet.

Audio is all you need to know to hear what is musically wrong. When I listen to top pianists, I always listen eyes closed. I don't want to be influenced by what I see, which has nothing to do with what I care about, which is the sound. I tell students: "Most people hear with their eyes." This means that they THINK they hear something because of grand gestures, dramatic looks and so on.

BUT: for all players who do not have a world class technique, who have not solved nearly every physical problem, you have to look to see WHY things are going wrong. So I totally disagree with your idea about only listening to students. Here is just one point, and this is about a very VERY fine player. I was watching this man, who regularly plays with orchestras, and I noticed that his left foot was almost as far forward as it needs to be for the una corde when he was playing ff passages. I asked him why, and he did not know - and corrected it. It was a new, bad habit. Anyone can develop bad habits. That's why Federer, perhaps the best player we've ever seen in tennis, has a "super coach", and that's why he worked with Stephan Edberg when he was over the age of 30. Age 30 for a tennis player is about the equivalent of age 60 for a pianist.

This has NOTHING to do with not watching your blind students, who have the same physical problems as the rest of us. If anything, they have to be even smarter about how they move.

And how does that work playing in a trio, quartet or quintet? How does it work playing any of an endless amount of pieces written for two or more players?

How does that work for the Chopin Op. 12 No. 1 Etude? Well, lets check...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsyGQYnvkMc

Let's see. Are his eyes closed? Would you play this with your eyes closed? Can you find one video of any fine player who is not watching his right hand like a hawk here? And if someone sent you audio playing this, with problems, would you claim to be able to "fix the cancer" without seeing said player?

WHAT would you play eyes closed?

And for GOD'S SAKE, stop talking in Russian riddles.

This extended metaphor is beyond confused, and the excessive use of hyperbole is a complete turnoff.

It's like somebody SHOUTING ALL THE TIME in order to get attention. Ugh.

Until you figure how to communicate in a sensible fashion, it won't matter how much you know about piano. Nobody will understand you.

You are more than welcomed!

I wrote already several times in different answers: "I DO NOT FIGHT WITH THE PEOPLE - I FIGHT ONLY WITH MISTAKES"
Even if I am a quack or anything worse than this, please DO NOT FIGHT WITH ME - FIGHT WITH MY IDEAS, MY METHODS, MY RESULTS, but give first a chance to show them to you!

Thanks!

Today, I can not show anything except metaphors because I recorded only a long audio with many pairs of familiar tunes plaid in opposite ways (healthy and sick versions) but did not convert it into video yet due to technical problems.

Please, wait a few days and I will post a video exactly on this topic instead of metaphors. If you do not mind to listen to the very short version of this audio (only 4 pairs) with my comments in Russian, please listen to them on https://vk.com/vladimirdunin

Audio recording is HERE:

Владимир Дунин
Аудиоурок №1 - Правильное ударение в музыке (обучение нотам)[size:26pt][/size]

I agree 100% with every word you write here. But I was not going to teach someone the correct movements and position of the left leg.

I have a wonderful way to solve a certain PURELY MUSICAL problem in performing. The music teachers would never want to hear about it simply because they do not suspect its existence.

I see that almost everyone would never want me to show here this problem while listening to YOUR or YOUR STUDENTS' recordings.

Well, if I invite you to listen to a pairs of MY recordings "with a cancer tumor in them" and "without a cancer tumor", will you agree to listen to MY recordings, diagnose them and suggest your treatment?

In which way can I give MY PAIRS of RECORDINGS to listen to you in this forum? What do you prefer?

I agree 100% with every word you write here. But I was not going to teach someone the correct movements and position of the left leg.

I have a wonderful way to solve a certain PURELY MUSICAL problem in performing. The music teachers would never want to hear about it simply because they do not suspect its existence.

I see that almost everyone would never want me to show here this problem while listening to YOUR or YOUR STUDENTS' recordings.

Well, if I invite you to listen to a pairs of MY recordings "with a cancer tumor in them" and "without a cancer tumor", will you agree to listen to MY recordings, diagnose them and suggest your treatment?

In which way can I give MY PAIRS of RECORDINGS to listen to you in this forum? What do you prefer?

I agree 100% with every word you write here. But I was not going to teach someone the correct movements and position of the left leg.

I have a wonderful way to solve a certain PURELY MUSICAL problem in performing. The music teachers would never want to hear about it simply because they do not suspect its existence.

I see that almost everyone would never want me to show here this problem while listening to YOUR or YOUR STUDENTS' recordings.

Well, if I invite you to listen to a pairs of MY recordings "with a cancer tumor in them" and "without a cancer tumor", will you agree to listen to MY recordings, diagnose them and suggest your treatment?

In which way can I give MY PAIRS of RECORDINGS to listen to you in this forum? What do you prefer?

I agree 100% with every word you write here. But I was not going to teach someone the correct movements and position of the left leg.

I have a wonderful way to solve a certain PURELY MUSICAL problem in performing. The music teachers would never want to hear about it simply because they do not suspect its existence.

I see that almost everyone would never want me to show here this problem while listening to YOUR or YOUR STUDENTS' recordings.

Well, if I invite you to listen to a pairs of MY recordings "with a cancer tumor in them" and "without a cancer tumor", will you agree to listen to MY recordings, diagnose them and suggest your treatment?

In which way can I give MY PAIRS of RECORDINGS to listen to you in this forum? What do you prefer?

I agree 100% with every word you write here. But I was not going to teach someone the correct movements and position of the left leg.

I have a wonderful way to solve a certain PURELY MUSICAL problem in performing. The music teachers would never want to hear about it simply because they do not suspect its existence.

I see that almost everyone would never want me to show here this problem while listening to YOUR or YOUR STUDENTS' recordings.

Well, if I invite you to listen to a pairs of MY recordings "with a cancer tumor in them" and "without a cancer tumor", will you agree to listen to MY recordings, diagnose them and suggest your treatment?

In which way can I give MY PAIRS of RECORDINGS to listen to you in this forum? What do you prefer?

I agree 100% with every word you write here. But I was not going to teach someone the correct movements and position of the left leg.

I have a wonderful way to solve a certain PURELY MUSICAL problem in performing. The music teachers would never want to hear about it simply because they do not suspect its existence.

I see that almost everyone would never want me to show here this problem while listening to YOUR or YOUR STUDENTS' recordings.

Well, if I invite you to listen to a pairs of MY recordings "with a cancer tumor in them" and "without a cancer tumor", will you agree to listen to MY recordings, diagnose them and suggest your treatment?

In which way can I give MY PAIRS of RECORDINGS to listen to you in this forum? What do you prefer?

This is probably a much better and feasible idea than the previous one of using a teacher's student's recordings. Format - video links perhaps; shorter rather than longer if you are making them fresh. People are having trouble going through all the wording and video lengths in the Fuer Elise thread - short and to the point. (nature of Internet).

And what about just audio? I did not insist on video in my previous posts. My face and body are absolutely unnecessary for understanding of my purely musical mistakes that I do deliberately on my "pairs of familiar to everyone melodies".

How can I bring here my audios?

Soundcloud, perhaps?

Please do not use any method that causes me to load an app or get a membership in a site.

I use box.net to share files. Sending a link to a shared file lets someone listen to it without having access to everything else and without having to sign up for a login and password.

I think youtube has a privacy option but I haven't used it.