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1993 Mason & Hamlin Model BB #2821617
03/01/19 06:31 PM
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I'm considering a 1993 Mason & Hamlin Model BB to replace a Yamaha G5.

I'm concerned this piano may overpower a house. Does anybody have experience with this model? Is this 7 foot piano going to blow the roof off? My current piano is close to that size - 6' 5'' and it's not a problem.

Also, any advice on this period Mason & Hamlin? I read in the early 90s they got back to making them to the standards of the pre-Aolian pianos.

And finally, any general opinions on M&H and the Model BB?

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Re: 1993 Mason & Hamlin Model BB [Re: bstogdale] #2821722
03/01/19 11:33 PM
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Yes, lots of experience with BBs.

A really good BB can be pretty much as good as it gets. The design and the bones are there. That being said, each piano needs to be evaluated on its own merits. I’ve played BBs everywhere from stunning to total trainwreck.

For volume, it depends on the hammers and voicing. If the hammers are worn out and/or hard thumbtacks you will probably desire a softer range.

Play it, see if you like it. If yes, have a good technician evaluate.


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Re: 1993 Mason & Hamlin Model BB [Re: bstogdale] #2821730
03/02/19 12:04 AM
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From Wikipedia:

"In 1989, Seattle businessman Bernard "Bud" Greer purchased the Sohmer company, which also held the George Steck, Knabe, and Mason & Hamlin names, technical specifications, and manufacturing equipment. He moved these to a piano factory in Haverhill, Massachusetts, which he had recently purchased from piano manufacturer Santi Falcone—from whom he also purchased the Falcone manufacturing specifications and naming rights. He named the new enterprise the Mason & Hamlin Companies. Greer's goal was to resurrect the Mason & Hamlin pianos of the pre-Depression era by returning to the original specifications—including Gertz's scale designs—and use of materials. A few changes were made, including the use of Renner action parts and slightly longer keys. From 1990 to 1994, approximately 600 pianos were manufactured, mostly Model A and BB grands, along with a few Model 50 uprights. Greer sold the company in 1995 to Premier Pianos, which continued production at a reduced pace until selling the company in 1996."

From the Mason and Hamlin Website (which doesn't mention Greer's contributions and innovations) :

The Burgett brothers purchased Mason and Hamlin in 1996.

"Their first step was to use sophisticated computer software programs to archive original Mason & Hamlin company scale designs, jigs, fixtures and templates. Preserving these important company assets was paramount. Then they invested millions of dollars in high-tech computer controlled machinery and equipment to increase efficiency and productivity in the factory. Next they found experienced craftsmen and began making the new Mason & Hamlin pianos.

Wisely, the Burgetts retained many important original features and designs (including Richard Gertz’s Tension Resonator), and by incorporating technological advances made in piano manufacturing during the last few decades, they not only recreated the Golden Age Mason & Hamlin pianos, but in many ways improved on them."

I offer both of the above narratives in response to your statement that "in the early 90s they got back to making them to the standards of the pre-Aeolian pianos." It has been my understanding that the process of going back to the original designs took place over several years. I've always been under the impression that this process was more fully realized in the pianos built by the Burgett brothers. That said, the pianos built in the early 90s had to be somewhat better than those from the Aeolian period.

As for size and power. If your current 6'5" Yamaha G5 isn't blowing the roof off your house, I doubt that the 6'11" M&H BB will blow it off either. The G5 is often described as a big piano with a big sound, suitable for small concert halls. The same could be said of the M&H.

My own 2003 M&H BB can be quite powerful and loud - but I rarely raise the lid when playing it - so the tile roof of my house remains intact - and my wife hasn't given me an ultimatum (choose her or the piano).

As for the specific piano you are considering, my advice would be to have it checked out by a technician to determine what issues, if any, need to be addressed. With an instrument that is 25 years old, so much depends on how heavily it was played and how well it was maintained.


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Re: 1993 Mason & Hamlin Model BB [Re: bstogdale] #2822113
03/02/19 08:36 PM
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To answer the overpowering part. I think you'll be ok. I have a client with a MHBB and its in a rather small house. The living room has hardwood floor, i'd say is 20 x 30ish and the piano does not seem to overpower. I think the voicing of the hammers can be altered enough to make it fit acoustically to the room.
Good Luck!


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Re: 1993 Mason & Hamlin Model BB [Re: bstogdale] #2822823
03/04/19 05:44 PM
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The Mason and Hamlinn BB tension resonator.
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Re: 1993 Mason & Hamlin Model BB [Re: bstogdale] #2823081
03/05/19 11:58 AM
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I was a Mason dealer in that period. Although different than today's BB, it should be equal quality. Weaknesses are the bass strings which weren't that great and are probably needing replacement and a more traditional hammer would benefit this piano. Otherwise, although it can go louder than your Yamaha, it can also play softer with greater dynamic range.

Steve

Re: 1993 Mason & Hamlin Model BB [Re: bstogdale] #2823212
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I still can't embed a picture on here.


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