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Yamaha GC1 VS Kawai GL20 ?? #2822698
03/04/19 11:58 AM
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I am choosing piano for my kid, and really cant decide between yamaha CG1 and Kwai Gl20

yamaha CG1 5’3 161cm
kawai GL20 5’1 157cm
Almost same price

What are the forums thoughts on these two pianos??
thanks

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Re: Yamaha GC1 VS Kawai GL20 ?? [Re: crystalsand] #2822703
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For same price the bigger size is better.

But for grands I wouldn't consider sizes lower than 5'8".

Re: Yamaha GC1 VS Kawai GL20 ?? [Re: crystalsand] #2822867
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For same price the bigger size is better.

But for grands I wouldn't consider sizes lower than 5'8".


This is not accurate at all>

1) The most valuable aspect of a small grand piano, from a quality maker such as Yamaha or Kawai; it is the performance of the action. Students truly benefit from learning with a grand-piano action.
Priority: Choose between these two pianos touch is very important.
Yamaha action has a touch ratio in the GC1 of 6 to 1
Kawai action has a touch ratio in the GL20 of 5 to 1 and the mechanical parts (Non-acoustic parts ) are made of a composite material.
The technical information should be irrelevant to you; but the touch is different between these two pianos, and you should find which one you like best.

2) The sound between these two pianos is also very different, and not because of the one-inch difference in size; specifications for length are based on the cabinetry and not the scale-design, one inch can easily be added to the cabinet.
What is really important is the hammers and soundboard system in these two pianos. The scale design is pretty close.
Again the technical information should be irrelevant, but You should find preference in tone.

3) These two pianos are good quality and the cost of manufacturing is about the same (if not slightly lower in the GC1 ) the price should be very close for any of the two pianos.

Best Regards,



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Re: Yamaha GC1 VS Kawai GL20 ?? [Re: crystalsand] #2822892
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Another interesting example. About 20 years ago Schimmel changed the action in their 6 foot grand to match all of their larger grands. Both types were in the show room for a short period of time. The grand for the larger pianos seemed to have more "swing weight", i.e. you could feel the action accelerate. The older action was faster and more responsive.


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Re: Yamaha GC1 VS Kawai GL20 ?? [Re: crystalsand] #2822932
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Get it properly regulated and I think either would be just fine. Assuming you like the action on both equally, I'd go for the one that sounds the best to you. Personally I prefer the Kawai sound, as it sounds more smooth and velvety to my ears. I've heard that Yamahas, however, are used a lot in pop and rock recording studios because it has a crisper sound, which is easier to hear on a recording with multiple instruments.

Other small details like the design of the music desk (whether it slides back and forth), whether the fallboard is soft touch, etc., can make a difference in how you like the piano ergonomically.

All things being equal, go with the one that sounds the best to you. Good luck, both are fine pianos for the aspiring student.


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Re: Yamaha GC1 VS Kawai GL20 ?? [Re: crystalsand] #2823058
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Re: Yamaha GC1 VS Kawai GL20 ?? [Re: Emery Wang] #2823397
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Originally Posted by Emery Wang
Get it properly regulated and I think either would be just fine. Assuming you like the action on both equally, I'd go for the one that sounds the best to you. Personally I prefer the Kawai sound, as it sounds more smooth and velvety to my ears. I've heard that Yamahas, however, are used a lot in pop and rock recording studios because it has a crisper sound, which is easier to hear on a recording with multiple instruments.

Other small details like the design of the music desk (whether it slides back and forth), whether the fallboard is soft touch, etc., can make a difference in how you like the piano ergonomically.

All things being equal, go with the one that sounds the best to you. Good luck, both are fine pianos for the aspiring student.

Both are excellent brands .I would not confine Yahama pianos just for popular music however .If these are new pianos make sure the piano is well prepared before leaving the store .A floor model from the store that you have tried is a better choice than a piano from the
warehouse.

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Re: Yamaha GC1 VS Kawai GL20 ?? [Re: crystalsand] #2824556
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Originally Posted by crystalsand
I am choosing piano for my kid, and really cant decide between yamaha CG1 and Kwai Gl20

yamaha CG1 5’3 161cm
kawai GL20 5’1 157cm
Almost same price

What are the forums thoughts on these two pianos??
thanks



Between these two pianos I have a preference for the GC-1 by Yamaha. The piano has the legendary clarity that you would expect from a Yamaha grand, but there is an added warmth to this model over the past few years that make it a very appealing piano to play.

Bottom line - play them both. Buy the one you love.

Just for fun, here is a short video that we made discussing this particular model that you might find helpful - https://youtu.be/E0jz7dsDwaw

Good luck,


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Re: Yamaha GC1 VS Kawai GL20 ?? [Re: crystalsand] #2824666
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I just asked basically the same question. This is helpful.

Re: Yamaha GC1 VS Kawai GL20 ?? [Re: crystalsand] #2824697
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The GL20 is 5'2" long - not 5'1".


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Re: Yamaha GC1 VS Kawai GL20 ?? [Re: crystalsand] #2824704
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Originally Posted by crystalsand
I am choosing piano for my kid, and really cant decide between yamaha CG1 and Kwai Gl20

yamaha CG1 5’3 161cm
kawai GL20 5’1 157cm
Almost same price

What are the forums thoughts on these two pianos??
thanks


We've played them both in our piano shopping. In terms of quality I don't think anyone here will argue that there is much difference if at all between comparable priced Yamaha and Kawai. They do have subtle differences in feel and tone. I have one daughter who prefers the Kawai and another who prefers Yamaha. It's kind of like Toyota vs Honda. You really can't go wrong either way, but one may stand out over the other based on subtle preferences. Yamaha is the MUCH larger company so has more marketing. My daughters have both been studying for about a decade so they are starting to have preferences. A kid just starting out? Honestly not going to make any difference. Either one would be MUCH nicer than the digital my kids learned on and would be nice enough to take any child all the way into a conservatory.

Re: Yamaha GC1 VS Kawai GL20 ?? [Re: texasdiver] #2824708
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Originally Posted by texasdiver
We've played them both in our piano shopping. In terms of quality I don't think anyone here will argue that there is much difference if at all between comparable priced Yamaha and Kawai. They do have subtle differences in feel and tone. I have one daughter who prefers the Kawai and another who prefers Yamaha. It's kind of like Toyota vs Honda. You really can't go wrong either way, but one may stand out over the other based on subtle preferences. Yamaha is the MUCH larger company so has more marketing. My daughters have both been studying for about a decade so they are starting to have preferences. A kid just starting out? Honestly not going to make any difference. Either one would be MUCH nicer than the digital my kids learned on and would be nice enough to take any child all the way into a conservatory.
Toyota - Honda - excellent analogy and spot on !!


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Re: Yamaha GC1 VS Kawai GL20 ?? [Re: Carey] #2824715
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Originally Posted by Carey
Originally Posted by texasdiver
We've played them both in our piano shopping. In terms of quality I don't think anyone here will argue that there is much difference if at all between comparable priced Yamaha and Kawai. They do have subtle differences in feel and tone. I have one daughter who prefers the Kawai and another who prefers Yamaha. It's kind of like Toyota vs Honda. You really can't go wrong either way, but one may stand out over the other based on subtle preferences. Yamaha is the MUCH larger company so has more marketing. My daughters have both been studying for about a decade so they are starting to have preferences. A kid just starting out? Honestly not going to make any difference. Either one would be MUCH nicer than the digital my kids learned on and would be nice enough to take any child all the way into a conservatory.
Toyota - Honda - excellent analogy and spot on !!


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