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Chopin desert island #2820906
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You get to choose 5 opuses.

My list.

1. Etudes Op. 25
2. Preludes Op. 28
3. Sonata Op. 58
4. Barcarole Op. 60
5. Polonaise-fantasy Op. 61

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Re: Chopin desert island [Re: JoelW] #2820922
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All I need is one, because this is also my desert island pick if we're not composer-limited:

Originally Posted by JoelW
Preludes Op. 28

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10, 25 and 28 for sure.
Tough choice on the other two, but I guess 9 (nocturnes) and 22 (andante spianato and polonaise)...

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Concerto in E minor.
Concerto in F minor.
Ballade No.1
Ballade No.4
Scherzo No.2

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Can't believe nobody has mentioned Nocturnes op. 27? Tsk.
Otherwise, I'd take a couple waltzes and ballades.


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Re: Chopin desert island [Re: JoelW] #2821547
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None, since I think Chopin, as great a composer as he is, is very over discussed at PW. I get the impression that some posters are ignoring much of the other great music from the piano literature.

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Originally Posted by Mark_C
All I need is one, because this is also my desert island pick if we're not composer-limited:

Originally Posted by JoelW
Preludes Op. 28

Since we can do 5, why not.... grin

Preludes, Op. 28
Barcarolle
F# minor Polonaise
A-flat Polonaise (Op. 53)
.....one more, eh.....
F minor Ballade

Five wasn't that hard.
Picking a 6th would be * -- a multi-way tie -- but for me those 5 are the elite.

* Actually not: B minor Sonata

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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
None, since I think Chopin, as great a composer as he is, is very over discussed at PW. I get the impression that some posters are ignoring much of the other great music from the piano literature.

He's sort of our immortal god as pianists. His body of consistently great music is why he so talked about. No other piano writer managed to do that.

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Originally Posted by Mark_C
Originally Posted by Mark_C
All I need is one, because this is also my desert island pick if we're not composer-limited:

Originally Posted by JoelW
Preludes Op. 28

Since we can do 5, why not.... grin

Preludes, Op. 28
Barcarolle
F# minor Polonaise
A-flat Polonaise (Op. 53)
.....one more, eh.....
F minor Ballade

Five wasn't that hard.
Picking a 6th would be * -- a multi-way tie -- but for me those 5 are the elite.

* Actually not: B minor Sonata

I was questioning your sanity until the last bit. wink

Re: Chopin desert island [Re: JoelW] #2821623
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Originally Posted by JoelW
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None, since I think Chopin, as great a composer as he is, is very over discussed at PW. I get the impression that some posters are ignoring much of the other great music from the piano literature.
He's sort of our immortal god as pianists. His body of consistently great music is why he so talked about. No other piano writer managed to do that.
I agree his output is consistently great with maybe a few exceptions, but I don't think that makes him greater than some of the other really great composers for piano like Bach, Beethoven, Mozart(if you include the concertos), Schubert, Schumann, Brahms, Liszt, Debussy, and Ravel. I think quality of the composer's best compositions is more important than consistency especially for composers like Bach. Beethoven, and Liszt who wrote so much piano music.

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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
I agree his output is consistently great with maybe a few exceptions, but I don't think that makes him greater than some of the other really great composers for piano Bach, Beethoven, Mozart

I didn't claim it made him greater composer. What I do claim is that it explains why, on a piano forum, he's discussed more frequently. The number of truly great pieces he wrote far exceeds the number of equally great piano pieces written by anyone else. Also I don't consider Mozart's and Beethoven's piano music to be true piano music.

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Originally Posted by JoelW
Originally Posted by pianoloverus
I agree his output is consistently great with maybe a few exceptions, but I don't think that makes him greater than some of the other really great composers for piano Bach, Beethoven, Mozart

I didn't claim it made him greater composer. What I do claim is that it explains why, on a piano forum, he's discussed more frequently. The number of truly great pieces he wrote far exceeds the number of equally great piano pieces written by anyone else. Also I don't consider Mozart's and Beethoven's piano music to be true piano music.
I think many and perhaps most would disagree with your last two sentences.

I also don't think inconsistency would make a composer less discussed. It could mean that the lesser compositions of that composer would not be discussed much. If a composer only wrote a very small number of great masterpieces(like Mussorgsky or ALbeniz) that could make him little discussed, but that doesn't apply to most or all of the composers I listed.

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Re: Chopin desert island [Re: pianoloverus] #2821672
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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
Originally Posted by JoelW
Originally Posted by pianoloverus
None, since I think Chopin, as great a composer as he is, is very over discussed at PW. I get the impression that some posters are ignoring much of the other great music from the piano literature.
He's sort of our immortal god as pianists. His body of consistently great music is why he so talked about. No other piano writer managed to do that.
I agree his output is consistently great with maybe a few exceptions, but I don't think that makes him greater than some of the other really great composers for piano like Bach, Beethoven, Mozart(if you include the concertos), Schubert, Schumann, Brahms, Liszt, Debussy, and Ravel. I think quality of the composer's best compositions is more important than consistency especially for composers like Bach. Beethoven, and Liszt who wrote so much piano music.


+1 thumb The composers who you listed are just as great as Chopin, if not greater in many instances! And I do like and enjoy Chopin.


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Please list those who are greater than Chopin.

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Originally Posted by JoelW
Please list those who are greater than Chopin.

Obviously just my opinion, but here goes: Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Liszt, Verdi, Puccini, Donizetti just to name a few. Again, just my personaly opinion. grin


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Please list those who are greater than Chopin.

Obviously just my opinion, but here goes: Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Liszt, Verdi, Puccini, Donizetti just to name a few. Again, just my personaly opinion. grin

Have you even heard Chopin beyond Op. 9 No. 2? This is just sad.

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Originally Posted by JoelW
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Originally Posted by JoelW
Please list those who are greater than Chopin.

Obviously just my opinion, but here goes: Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Liszt, Verdi, Puccini, Donizetti just to name a few. Again, just my personaly opinion. grin

Have you even heard Chopin beyond Op. 9 No. 2? This is just sad.


Wow, I don't think this is where this thread was meant to go... confused

Isn't this a pointless pursuit gentlemen? Can you really define the greatest? Could you even agree on the terms? Finally, is this not another thread if one really cares to have such a discussion.

For what it's worth, I find it very interesting what Chopin folks can't go without.

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Originally Posted by JoelW
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Please list those who are greater than Chopin.

Obviously just my opinion, but here goes: Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Liszt, Verdi, Puccini, Donizetti just to name a few. Again, just my personaly opinion. grin

Have you even heard Chopin beyond Op. 9 No. 2? This is just sad.


I did NOT take any potshots at you? Why attack my opinion?! mad


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Originally Posted by NobleHouse
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Please list those who are greater than Chopin.

Obviously just my opinion, but here goes: Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Liszt, Verdi, Puccini, Donizetti just to name a few. Again, just my personaly opinion. grin

Have you even heard Chopin beyond Op. 9 No. 2? This is just sad.


I did NOT take any potshots at you? Why attack my opinion?! mad

Why are you so offended? It's an honest question. You seem to not know any Chopin, which is sad.

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