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Re: VSL Steinway D - released [Re: David B] #2820948
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Originally Posted by David B
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Hi, David,

Can I ask how many mics are you running for the VSL Steinway D? The maximum number of mics that I can comfortable running is 3, and I’m using a 2017 15 inches MacBook Pro that has similar spec as you have.


3 - 5 depending on what preset I'm running. I've experimented with 6 mics and it still was no problem.

God Bless,
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What DAW are you using? I’m using logic pro x and i’m not sure if that is related

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Re: VSL Steinway D - released [Re: angmyu] #2820956
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I'm using MainStage.

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Re: VSL Steinway D - released [Re: angmyu] #2821159
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Of course you could invest in a VSL certified workstation

xi-machines.com/en/systems-vsl.php

Re: VSL Steinway D - released [Re: Harpuia] #2821541
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Originally Posted by Harpuia
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Originally Posted by Alexander Borro

Can anyone else confirm the memory problems wdco mentions ?


It runs great on my Mac mini: 2018, i5 3.0 GHz, 16GB ram.

I'm routinely surprised to read about challenges people have with PC's that are running multiple cores, fast processors, and mega memory.

My Mac mini is a mid-level machine and can handle the VSL Steinway/CFX without even breaking a sweat.

I don't believe there is anything wrong with the VSL software. The Steinway (in my opinion) sounds awesome.

God Bless,
David


Hi, David,

Can I ask how many mics are you running for the VSL Steinway D? The maximum number of mics that I can comfortable running is 3, and I’m using a 2017 15 inches MacBook Pro that has similar spec as you have.


It's worth noting that you can somewhat reduce the number of voices per key, and the number of voices per mic, without any substantial impact on the sound. That will enable you to run more mics before running into CPU problems. The other thing to is adjust the default preload size (I use 3172), streaming threads (I use 6) and loading threads (I use 16), which can improve the CPU load (which, if you're on an SSD, is the main limiting factor in performance in terms of auditory artefacts).


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Re: VSL Steinway D - released [Re: angmyu] #2829524
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They rebranded it to Concert D, as did so many developers before them.

https://www.vsl.co.at/en/Synchron_Package/Concert_D

Gotta wonder why Steinway is so protective of their brand that they would not allow developers to use the name itself on samples of their grand pianos. I don't think that's a good strategy in the long term, but then, I'm not a businessman.

PS this instrument (thine name shall not be spoken) is now on sale again for anyone who's interested

Re: VSL Steinway D - released [Re: Grazilerimba] #2829586
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Originally Posted by Grazilerimba
Gotta wonder why Steinway is so protective of their brand that they would not allow developers to use the name itself on samples of their grand pianos.

Pianoteq has the exclusive license. wink


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Re: VSL Steinway D - released [Re: angmyu] #2829599
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Makes you wonder why Steinway would not give authorization to the behemoth (VSL), yet the little engine that could (Pianoteq) gets the green light.

Re: VSL Steinway D - released [Re: angmyu] #2829608
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Perhaps Garritan Authorised Steinway is not sold anymore beacause of licence expiration or something like this. (It is a pity, I have tested it at some friend and found it very good).

Sometimes licensing issues are weird. I remember a flagrance tried to be sold under the name Champagne... and the Champagne mark holders demand them to stop. It weird since a luxury flagrance can promote the mark more than sully it.


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Re: VSL Steinway D - released [Re: JoeT] #2829645
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Originally Posted by Pete14
Makes you wonder why Steinway would not give authorization to the behemoth (VSL), yet the little engine that could (Pianoteq) gets the green light.

Because Steinway agrees Pianoteq sounds better and represents their brand better. (no smiley here)


across the stone, deathless piano performances

"Discipline is more reliable than motivation." -by a contributor on Reddit r/piano
"Success is 10% inspiration, and 90% perspiration." -by some other wise person
"Pianoteq manages to keep it all together yet simultaneously also go in all directions; like a quantum particle entangled with an unknown and spooky parallel universe simply waiting to be discovered." -by Pete14
Re: VSL Steinway D - released [Re: angmyu] #2843854
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How does Synchron Steinway stack up against something like Ravenscroft 275? The Ravenscroft is still my go to piano because of it's playability for shorter staccato playing, which often gets overlooked with many sampled pianos (especially the ones for Kontakt). I would love to add the Synchron Steinway because of it's tone but playability is the number one concern of mine. Thank you in advance!


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Re: VSL Steinway D - released [Re: angmyu] #2855634
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Does anyone know what the new "synchron-ized" editions of this are all about? Looks like there's a new "light" version with 30 velocity layers but I can't find any purchase info on it. Looks like it can only be bought as part of a larger bundle of other entry level instruments.

Re: VSL Steinway D - released [Re: angmyu] #2855645
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Yes, in Special edition vol.1 and in the edition bundle (all together).

Re: VSL Steinway D - released [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2855697
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by Pete14
Makes you wonder why Steinway would not give authorization to the behemoth (VSL), yet the little engine that could (Pianoteq) gets the green light.

Because Steinway agrees Pianoteq sounds better and represents their brand better. (no smiley here)


Any citations to ground that notion, @Tyrone Slothrop?

I'd wager it's because no Steinways were used in making the Pianoteq sound, and in that way, it could indemnify Steinway in a "court of acoustic aesthetics", and they get the fee for the endorsement to boot.

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@mcontraveos, it's interesting how people claim to know what other people (or companies) think. (Is that what's known as "projection"?)

Re: VSL Steinway D - released [Re: mcontraveos] #2855720
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Originally Posted by mcontraveos
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by Pete14
Makes you wonder why Steinway would not give authorization to the behemoth (VSL), yet the little engine that could (Pianoteq) gets the green light.

Because Steinway agrees Pianoteq sounds better and represents their brand better. (no smiley here)


Any citations to ground that notion, @Tyrone Slothrop?

I'd wager it's because no Steinways were used in making the Pianoteq sound, and in that way, it could indemnify Steinway in a "court of acoustic aesthetics", and they get the fee for the endorsement to boot.

Do you really think that with Steinway trying so hard to guard their "brand," that they would endorse a VST that they don't feel represents well their brand? Steinway is a luxury brand. There are things that luxury brands do to preserve their cachet. Licensing their trademark to an inferior product is not one of those things.


across the stone, deathless piano performances

"Discipline is more reliable than motivation." -by a contributor on Reddit r/piano
"Success is 10% inspiration, and 90% perspiration." -by some other wise person
"Pianoteq manages to keep it all together yet simultaneously also go in all directions; like a quantum particle entangled with an unknown and spooky parallel universe simply waiting to be discovered." -by Pete14
Re: VSL Steinway D - released [Re: mcontraveos] #2855721
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Originally Posted by mcontraveos
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by Pete14
Makes you wonder why Steinway would not give authorization to the behemoth (VSL), yet the little engine that could (Pianoteq) gets the green light.

Because Steinway agrees Pianoteq sounds better and represents their brand better. (no smiley here)


Any citations to ground that notion, @Tyrone Slothrop?

I'd wager it's because no Steinways were used in making the Pianoteq sound, and in that way, it could indemnify Steinway in a "court of acoustic aesthetics", and they get the fee for the endorsement to boot.


I agree with this. The company has never given any definite answer about the reason they lent the name to Pianoteq, but all inter-company agreements and sponsors I know are made simply for their profits. This has been a common practice in society, but Tyrone's premise is without any basis and is just his love of Pianoteq. Above all, he is not even Steinway's spokesman.

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Originally Posted by angmyu
Originally Posted by mcontraveos
Any citations to ground that notion, @Tyrone Slothrop?

I'd wager it's because no Steinways were used in making the Pianoteq sound, and in that way, it could indemnify Steinway in a "court of acoustic aesthetics", and they get the fee for the endorsement to boot.


I agree with this. The company has never given any definite answer about the reason they lent the name to Pianoteq, but all inter-company agreements and sponsors I know are made simply for their profits. This has been a common practice in society, but Tyrone's premise is without any basis and is just his love of Pianoteq. Above all, he is not even Steinway's spokesman.

Do you really think that with Steinway trying so hard to guard their "brand," that they would endorse a VST that they don't feel represents well their brand? Steinway is a luxury brand. There are things that luxury brands do to preserve their cachet. Licensing their trademark to an inferior product is not one of those things.


across the stone, deathless piano performances

"Discipline is more reliable than motivation." -by a contributor on Reddit r/piano
"Success is 10% inspiration, and 90% perspiration." -by some other wise person
"Pianoteq manages to keep it all together yet simultaneously also go in all directions; like a quantum particle entangled with an unknown and spooky parallel universe simply waiting to be discovered." -by Pete14
Re: VSL Steinway D - released [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2855727
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Do you really think that with Steinway trying so hard to guard their "brand," that they would endorse a VST that they don't feel represents well their brand? Steinway is a luxury brand. There are things that luxury brands do to preserve their cachet. Licensing their trademark to an inferior product is not one of those things.


so.. are you Steinway's spokesman, or are you working at Modartt?
Lending their names is for revenue, and it is more reasonable to think that modeling would have been more appropriate for revenue than sampling that record Steinway's sound directly.

For example, no sponsors participated in a concert recently held by our country's most popular artist. On the other hand, a concert by an artist who don't have many fans took place around the same time, with more than two large corporate sponsors participating. Of course, the company supported the concert personally and economically, and the artist promoted the company that supported her throughout the concert. Is it reasonable to think the companies supported the unpopular singer to emphasize their luxury and greatness, or to think that they were simply mindful of their long-term profit by the promotion?

Failure to borrow a brand name does not mean that the product is inferior. It is mainly based on the recording method and the profit structure.

Re: VSL Steinway D - released [Re: angmyu] #2855729
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Originally Posted by angmyu
Lending their names is for revenue, and it is more reasonable to think that modeling would have been more appropriate for revenue than sampling that record Steinway's sound directly.

para. 33.


across the stone, deathless piano performances

"Discipline is more reliable than motivation." -by a contributor on Reddit r/piano
"Success is 10% inspiration, and 90% perspiration." -by some other wise person
"Pianoteq manages to keep it all together yet simultaneously also go in all directions; like a quantum particle entangled with an unknown and spooky parallel universe simply waiting to be discovered." -by Pete14
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Well, Steinway may not wish to lend their name to an inferior product ... but they did. It's called Pianoteq. smile
Perhaps they've made a mistake?

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