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sk2 #2813353
02/11/19 02:33 AM
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Hi folks, I'm considering buying a new SK2. I'm in Vancouver, Canada. The price is CAN $44k plus 12.5% tax. That's a ton of cash but I can probably get some 0% payments deal. My daughter is 8 and really getting into piano, and I like to play too although I have to say that if I could play something by Patrick Watson I'll be happy, by Elton John I'd be ecstatic!!. So I'm not very good. I played an SK2, 2 years ago at this dealership and loved it. I went and played all the Kawaii GX grands in the next room and in my limited opinion I didn't feel they were the same. I'll never be a good pianist, I don't really care, but I do care about workmanship. It's buy this or buy myself a Mustang with a level 2 performance package!!!! I feel at 53 it will be my last major purchase on a whim. My daughter will love it, and maybe even start to play more. At the end of the day it will be hers. So question is..

Good price? Two years ago it was in the high $30's but I can't travel back in time. I would love to find one used at $25k (either here or in the US) but in two years I haven't seen one. I've also looked at a new C3, Seiler, and a couple of others. There are both Steinways and Bosendorfer's in this dealer too, and I've "played" both. I've also played most Yamaha uprights, Kawaii uprights, and a Grotrian, Bechstien, and a Bluthner upright. All within a similar price range but of course very different. I just like the SK2.

We currently still play our CLP-380 and last year I bought a Nord Stage 3, which I absolutely love!

I know "spend it on a college education", "save it", save the planet with it"..but sometimes you just have to go with your gut feel.

nik


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Re: sk2 [Re: niik] #2813367
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The SK pianos are some of the finest in the world. If you want to be talked out of it, you've come to the wrong place! grin

P.S. Buy! Buy! Buy!

Re: sk2 [Re: niik] #2813369
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Well, clearly it is not necessary at this, or actually any, stage of piano playing and any decent quality piano would be a suitable tool. Yet neither is a Mustang necessary either, if you can afford it and there is nothing more important then go blow the cash.

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Re: sk2 [Re: niik] #2813371
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Is this piano at the Kawai dealer at Richmond? K44 seems a good price for a new Shigeru Kawai ? You get upright pianos at that price .
Is this a new piano? (I do not know the price of these pianos .)
If the Bosendorfer is a beautiful rosewood finish it could be the one
I tried .I thought the piano lacked clarity in its tone if it's the same one ,.perhaps it has been voiced since then .it was months ago when I last tried it .
Perhaps the SK 2 is the piano for you ?

Re: sk2 [Re: Lady Bird] #2813589
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yes, at Richmond.It's new.


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Re: sk2 [Re: niik] #2813833
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Well I would decide what my budget is and decide if you want a
grand or an upright .Once that is decided play as many pianos as possible .
Then decide which piano is best for your daughter and yourself .
From what I have heard the Kawai Shigeru is a great piano .
The YUS5 by Yamaha is wonderfull upright .
look up" piano brands piano buyer "online and you can read about and see the different models of the brands you mentioned and thier relative prices .

Re: sk2 [Re: niik] #2813839
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I don't have any experience with the SK2, but I did play an SK6 and and SK7 beside a GX6 and a GX7 Blak this past weekend. I concur with your assessment. I've always like the RX/GX series Kawai pianos, but the is no comparison with the SK pianos!! It's night and day. Those 2 SK pianos I played, and the SK-EX concert grand really spoiled me. They are quite special.

Re: sk2 [Re: Lady Bird] #2813847
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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Is this piano at the Kawai dealer at Richmond? K44 seems a good price for a new Shigeru Kawai ? You get upright pianos at that price .
The $44K CAN would be approximately $33K in US dollars. Quite frankly, I can't see spending that much on a vertical - regardless of pedigree - unless you really have a space restriction at home. Let's hope that your daughter really sticks with the piano - no matter what you decide to purchase. Certainly beats the pathetic little spinet pianos and turn of the (last) century uprights that I learned to play on as a child. Amazingly, those old relics didn't squelch my love of the instrument. Good luck with your decision !!


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Re: sk2 [Re: niik] #2813856
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I was not trying to convince the OP to change his mind .
He mentioned quite a few higher priced uprights and I was
comparing the price .
Yes quite a fair amount of dealers here have uprights that price and higher.
I know of 3 people in the last few years who bought such pianos. Two were
Sauter pianos and one a Bechstein. The final prices were between $30 to $50 Can.
Some people do prefer these to a baby grand .No I AM not trying to convince the op to buy an upright .
The op is talking about uprights and grands .,AND yes perhaps he should consider a SAUTER 130 while he is deciding since you put the thought into my mind .

Re: sk2 [Re: Lady Bird] #2813864
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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
I was not trying to convince the OP to change his mind .
He mentioned quite a few higher priced uprights and I was
comparing the price .
Yes quite a fair amount of dealers here have uprights that price and higher.
I know of 3 people in the last few years who bought such pianos. Two were
Sauter pianos and one a Bechstein. The final prices were between $30 to $50 Can.
Some people do prefer these to a baby grand .No I AM not trying to convince the op to buy an upright .
The op is talking about uprights and grands .,AND yes perhaps he should consider a SAUTER 130 while he is deciding since you put the thought into my mind .

I completely understand and appreciate your position Lady Bird. I was just speaking from my own personal point of view. I can't speak for other folks. I've purchased two new studio uprights - the first in 1976 (an Everett for $1,400) and the second in 2018 (a Kawai K500 for $8,000) - and I found both to be perfectly acceptable for my needs. And of course, I'm blessed to own a 7 foot Mason and Hamlin BB which I purchased relatively new in 2006 for $22K. Would I like to own a $176.000 Steinway D, a $175,000 Bosendorfer or $160,000 Fazioli?......sure - but it ain't gonna happen in this lifetime. ha


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Re: sk2 [Re: niik] #2813870
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Sorry Carey ,
I have a chip on my shoulder about these uprights I am talking
about .Especially Sauter ones since the big argument in 2016 between some here and a past Sauter distributer.
I understand the pain but the whole situation has put a cloud over
this brand on this forum. It used to be so different.One is almost afraid to mention the word Sauter .

Re: sk2 [Re: niik] #2813917
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niik,
keep checking your options as buyer with all piano dealers in the vicinity. Prices in those ranges are always negotiable.

And check with your daughter, if she (hear ears) would like it.

The difference you percieved between the premium SK2 to the standard GX/RX range might originate from the extra factory- and showroom-preparation by piano technicians for the SK model range. We have a "simple" RX2 in the family, which is also brilliant.
The other thing is, IIRC, that you get special care by an MPA technician for some longer period of time included in the price of the SK. But that might be coming with every premium priced model. You could check that with the sales personel beforehand.

In the end, if you like the SK2 and the budget is plenty: go for it.

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Just a quick update. So it's looking like maybe I'll have to "settle" for the GX3, instead of the SK2. Kawai are wanting a much larger downpayment (30k) on the SK2 than I currently have the spare cash for. I could rustle up that in a few months, but I think by then the deal price they have currently (SK2 is mid 40s Canadian ) will have disappeared , along with a pretty good mid 30s deal for the GX3. I think the GX3 will be awesome and outlive me. I just hope that I don't regret not getting the extra 10k for the SK2.


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Re: sk2 [Re: niik] #2818710
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Originally Posted by niik
My daughter is 8 and really getting into piano,....


Originally Posted by niik
Kawai are wanting a much larger downpayment (30k) on the SK2 than I currently have the spare cash for. I could rustle up that in a few months,


In my opinion, there is no once in a lifetime deal. If you know what you are looking for, you can also do the waiting game. What is the hurry? Your daughter is 8, within a few years, her motivation may change.

Just a few months ago I saw an SK2 bought in 2017 for sale. The owner had (tragically) died, and the family had no need for the piano since they did not play. The price was 60% of a new one.
I say a 17 years old Sauter Omega for 25% of new price, and just a few weeks ago a 20 years old Bösenrofer 225 for the same price as the Sauter Omega.

While I could afford a new grand now, I have some other obligations that I should prioritize first. It is painful to wait, but in a year or two, you might afford an SK3, or a come across a real deal for that model.

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That is true, and you seldom buy new more than once. If OP prefers the SK2, then there will another opportunity to buy this in a not so distant future. Some dealers also offers up to 4 years upgrade plan after initial purchase.

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Have you tried the Bostin grands in Tom Lee downtown .They have other makes Yamaha, Sauter , Petrof ,Schimmel, Steinways.
They occasionally carry used pianos but do not put show online.
Showcase Pianos downtown occasionally have used pianos .
There is also Heritage pianos .

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Niik,

If you have found the piano that really speaks to you, most people will say to find a way - long term it will be so much more satisfying!

But as others have mentioned, I am quite sure you can get full trade-up of the GX3 to an SK2 at a later time. Ask them to detail what they provide if you decide to upgrade later - moving costs, etc.

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Thanks KawaiDon. It's a difficult but great position to be in. 2 great pianos. But for sure i'll try and pion down the dealer on what would be the upgrade terms.. i.e. against full MRSP or current price, and what value the GX3. I didn't think alos about moving costs etc.


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Just to add more to this. So today I bought a K500 Kawai upright. Why? Well the kawaii GX3 seemed a sensible option around 30-40k cdn. The k500 much more like the 15k mark. The SK2, I really want, way up toward 40-45k cdn. If I bought the GX3 then I'm sure i'd get a great piano, but I probably couldn't justify another 40k purchase on a piano in my lifetime. My thought is that on the K500 I kept my cost reasonable and with tradein maybe I can do an SK2 or even SK3 in the next couple of years if I have the spare money. As pianos fall a good few % then the bigger the value the more cost that few %.

thanks for all the help.

nik


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