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Re: What do you pursue with your hobby? The big WHY?
Tyrone Slothrop #2819629 02/24/19 07:47 PM
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I love music. It’s the only thing that gives me instant comfort. Listening, playing. And a bit of all the points.

BTW, I’ve long been married, and since recently also a father. But admittedly in my past, inviting a girl home and playing her Chopin... Well, I’m stopping here before getting into troubles... laugh

Well. I never thought playing classical piano had any benefits other than making the music!

Take the Motley Crew comment and replace with Liszt! Or so the story goes.


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n.8 it's impossible, nobody is going to buy cd, it's all for free now. So let's all live in poverty now, and let's enjoy our hobby smile

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Well I did impress this one girl with Come Sail Away. How do I know?
She Sailed away with me on a long life journey. Yes she married me smile


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Come on! Guys!
Why don't you answer from hearts!
Wouldn't it all because of someday in your life art has saved you!
Because of fighting the death, the reality?
Because of expressing your life, your existence, your soul, you!
Because of sharing your love!

And by the way, do not fool yourselves. "Girls" do not care about pianists. Let them name one.

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That depends on your enunciation. smile

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For me, I'd add #10 to the list: Just For The Fun Of It

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For me, I'd add #10 to the list: Just For The Fun Of It

Pish posh. That's not a real reason! wink


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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by CyberGene
I love music. It’s the only thing that gives me instant comfort. Listening, playing. And a bit of all the points.

BTW, I’ve long been married, and since recently also a father. But admittedly in my past, inviting a girl home and playing her Chopin... Well, I’m stopping here before getting into troubles... laugh

Well. I never thought playing classical piano had any benefits other than making the music!

Take the Motley Crew comment and replace with Liszt! Or so the story goes.

I am not sure where I have that information, hopefully it's not some exaggerated fake legend, but Liszt was kind of a "rock star" of its time, women went crazy on his concerts, even passing out smile Also, to my knowledge he was one of a few pianists who actually moved the grand piano development forward requesting that it's louder and more powerful so that he can perform at bigger venues. That led to gradual increase of key travel from around 7-8mm at Chopin's time to 10mm which is the current standard. It's said that shallower key travel promotes better pianissimo control at the expense of lacking in the fortissimo range. There's an interesting mechanical feature of some of the Steingraeber pianos today, called Mozart rail which allow to instantly modify that distance through a lever.


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisztomania

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Lisztomania was characterized by intense levels of hysteria demonstrated by fans, akin to the treatment of celebrity musicians today – but in a time not known for such musical excitement.
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Lisztomania was characterized by a hysterical reaction to Liszt and his concerts.[2][3] Liszt's playing was reported to raise the mood of the audience to a level of mystical ecstasy.[3] Admirers of Liszt would swarm over him, fighting over his handkerchiefs and gloves.[3] Fans would wear his portrait on brooches and cameos.[2][4] Women would try to get locks of his hair, and whenever he broke a piano string, admirers would try to obtain it in order to make a bracelet.[4] Some female admirers would even carry glass phials into which they poured his coffee dregs.[2] According to one report:

Liszt once threw away an old cigar stump in the street under the watchful eyes of an infatuated lady-in-waiting, who reverently picked the offensive weed out of the gutter, had it encased in a locket and surrounded with the monogram "F.L." in diamonds, and went about her courtly duties unaware of the sickly odour it gave forth.


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It's curious, the things girls used to pass out to in the old days. It would be very surprising to see reports of a girl fainting in a piano recital due to over excitement today - let alone masses of them, which was reputedly the case with Liszt.

Also, at the first performances of Tristan and Isolde, at least one person died through excessive arousal from the music and many others were taken ill. Again, I can't imagine such a thing happening now.

Yet these are surely physiological reactions to a mainly sonic stimulation. Surely the human organism has not changed so very much in 150 years. We must indeed be crude armoured creatures these days compared to the delicate sensibility of our recent ancestors.


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3 - To write and or arrange your own music
7 - Love to play with gear
9 - Improve improvisational skills


Things i want to add:

- Just playing the Piano
- Learning the instrument to work as a piano teacher after my work retirement in 30 years. wink


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9 - Improve improvisational skills
3 - To write and or arrange your own music
5 - To learn theory and improve ear training so to play along with others or recordings
2 - Improve sight reading skills
7 - Love to play with gear
6 - To produce and arrange for others



That would be my order...



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It's curious, the things girls used to pass out to in the old days. It would be very surprising to see reports of a girl fainting in a piano recital due to over excitement today - let alone masses of them, which was reputedly the case with Liszt.

Also, at the first performances of Tristan and Isolde, at least one person died through excessive arousal from the music and many others were taken ill. Again, I can't imagine such a thing happening now.

Yet these are surely physiological reactions to a mainly sonic stimulation. Surely the human organism has not changed so very much in 150 years. We must indeed be crude armoured creatures these days compared to the delicate sensibility of our recent ancestors.


This is a very interesting observation, one deserving a separate thread, not necessarily in this forum. I've recently commented on another forum my absolute admiration for Mahler's sixth symphony. And it's still a mystery how come one can produce close to two hours of music which is soo profoundly deep and serious. Imagine what it requires for the composer, then for the performers and director, and then for the audience. It's kind of frustrating 100 years later we are incapable of reaching that kind of dedication among all the involved. I'm not to bash on modern music but in my biased opinion there's no modern equivalent to a grand symphony like that. Is it that people are not currently able to spend two hours listening to something that requires immense concentration, is it just out of fashion, is it that our environment is so fast and dynamic that it's not worth it to spend so much time and effort participating in something that is of "no importance", or maybe the average IQ and ability to be concentrated has lowered with the years? All that puzzles me a lot.


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@Bruce in Philly ... You gave a prototype list, but you didn't specify your own reasons or priorities.

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For me, I'd add #10 to the list: Just For The Fun Of It


This is pretty much my reason. I won't ever gig or anything and just enjoy this as a hobby. As I slowly progress it is becoming more fun. if I have to pick off the list I would select #1. One of my goals this year is to progress to the point where "easy" piano books are actually easy for me. Right now while I can play from an easy book they take some time and work although I'm making progress. It would be great to get to the point where I could pick up a lead sheet and embellish it a bit but for now I'm just spending time in the Fake Book and easy Piano book woodshed after I finish my method book pieces for the day.


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Also, at the first performances of Tristan and Isolde, at least one person died through excessive arousal from the music and many others were taken ill. Again, I can't imagine such a thing happening now.

Pathology, especially toxicology, had improved to such degree, that that kind of baloney wouldn't pass muster nowadays. Few people are so naive to actually believe that.

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I can believe some of these stories about women fainting. It has happened even in modern times.
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It's curious, the things girls used to pass out to in the old days. It would be very surprising to see reports of a girl fainting in a piano recital due to over excitement today - let alone masses of them, which was reputedly the case with Liszt.
Just look at the reaction to the Beatles in their early appearances. (Okay, no piano there, but still ...)

You're right about this, though. It's a bit much, eh?
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It's kind of frustrating 100 years later we are incapable of reaching that kind of dedication among all the involved. I'm not to bash on modern music but in my biased opinion there's no modern equivalent to a grand symphony like that. Is it that people are not currently able to spend two hours listening to something that requires immense concentration, is it just out of fashion, is it that our environment is so fast and dynamic that it's not worth it to spend so much time and effort participating in something that is of "no importance", or maybe the average IQ and ability to be concentrated has lowered with the years? All that puzzles me a lot.

People are certainly capable of concentrating staying concentrated and listening for long periods of time. Except that nowadays it is done at home not in a shared public space. It is called "having a marathon of <artistic name>" or "binge watching/listening".

The public venues didn't keep up with the physiological needs of people involved in such long listening/watching sessions. I think Bayreuth Festspielhaus (where Wagner's opera stuff gets regularly played) is probably the last place on Earth that regularly accommodates audience bringing their own pillows and snack/refreshments to the seating area.

I'm puzzled that you are puzzled by this evolution. That is unless you wrote your comment as a sort of rant or trolling.

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Just look at the reaction to the Beatles in their early appearances. (Okay, no piano there, but still ...)

Man, read a bit about the history of music marketing. The "girls screaming" schtick was all paid up in advance by the promoters.

Organized music/artistic performance marketing is nothing new. Please read up starting with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claque .

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It's kind of frustrating 100 years later we are incapable of reaching that kind of dedication among all the involved. I'm not to bash on modern music but in my biased opinion there's no modern equivalent to a grand symphony like that. Is it that people are not currently able to spend two hours listening to something that requires immense concentration, is it just out of fashion, is it that our environment is so fast and dynamic that it's not worth it to spend so much time and effort participating in something that is of "no importance", or maybe the average IQ and ability to be concentrated has lowered with the years? All that puzzles me a lot.

People are certainly capable of concentrating staying concentrated and listening for long periods of time. Except that nowadays it is done at home not in a shared public space. It is called "having a marathon of <artistic name>" or "binge watching/listening".

The public venues didn't keep up with the physiological needs of people involved in such long listening/watching sessions. I think Bayreuth Festspielhaus (where Wagner's opera stuff gets regularly played) is probably the last place on Earth that regularly accommodates audience bringing their own pillows and snack/refreshments to the seating area.

I'm puzzled that you are puzzled by this evolution. That is unless you wrote your comment as a sort of rant or trolling.


I think you missed my point or I didn't express it well. It was not about the duration. It was about general interest in serious music. Yeah, there are Wagner festivals and Mahler can still be heard, etc, I mean we have the entire classical repertoire which people can either listen live or at home.

But my point was there's no modern music with that kind of complexity and comparable "architectural" completeness that can also hold the potential of filling in a huge concert hall.

P.S. And before missing my point again. Maybe there is complex music nowadays (I don't know, would be interested in examples, even if from popular genres or non-classical/academic genres) but how many people listen to it, compared to people 100 or 200 years ago? Which was my point. And BTW, I formed it as a question, I didn't say it was one way or another. Maybe I am completely wrong and have missed a lot of interesting modern music. Or I am wrong and many people would listen to complex music but only at home, which I guess is what you tried to answer and that may be a valid answer as well.

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