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Re: New Roland Pianos [Re: Nordomus] #2819383
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Originally Posted by Nordomus
Hehe nothing like fixing factory's job wink I'm glad you only had this minor problem though. I hope it will stay that way smile


Me too. smile I'll be happy if it lasts the full 10 year warranty. After that, I may start modifying the insides with new Focal speakers, maybe the amps and hook it up to VST. Maybe in 10 years another revolution in sound will make it so good that I wouldn't know the difference. I like the European grand versions. The American grand doesn't sound good to me at all unless I adjust the factory settings but that's going to take a lot of tweaking. But I'm happy with European for now.

I can't even bother playing the piano samples because they don't sound that good. Almost can say too bland. Unless I want rag time piano... I wonder how to make the modeled sound like rag time piano or honky tonk if anyone can chime in. I don't know if that's because of quality of the samples or it's because the modeled sound is actually that good. But the flute sounds pretty good and the percussion too. I wonder if it were taken from the v-drums.


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Re: New Roland Pianos [Re: Colin Miles] #2819420
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I hope optical sensors in every dp in the future will resolve all these issues. How about the new hybrid grand action, does it feel better?

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Originally Posted by pold
I hope optical sensors in every dp in the future will resolve all these issues. How about the new hybrid grand action, does it feel better?

Wait, which issues? Yamaha is the only one with loud note issue smile Rolands have perfect dynamics and so are other DPs.
JJRoland- I think you can detune each string to make modelled honkey tonk laugh

Re: New Roland Pianos [Re: jjRoland] #2819467
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Originally Posted by jjRoland

I can't even bother playing the piano samples because they don't sound that good. Almost can say too bland.

My LX7 piano samples are also pretty awful. Sounds as if they haven't bothered to improve them with the new 700 series.


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Re: New Roland Pianos [Re: Colin Miles] #2819495
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Again, what? There are no samples in Roland DPs since last generation.

Re: New Roland Pianos [Re: Colin Miles] #2819513
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Nordomus,

No issue with the keys making noise. As to samples, I think they are referring to the pianos other than the two modeled ones. Yes, instruction manual included. Rolands are known to be bomb proof so hopefully no issues will arise. Agree, love the sound. Longer key length great too. Still hoping your issue gets tesolved and wonder if reaching out to Roland directly would solve things. Thinking dealer is dropping ball.

Re: New Roland Pianos [Re: Grandman] #2819526
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Originally Posted by Grandman
Still hoping your issue gets tesolved and wonder if reaching out to Roland directly would solve things. Thinking dealer is dropping ball.

They HAD to contact Roland about this so Roland must be aware of the situation and I don't see the point in contacting them by myself. I'm not gonna reach and beg anymore, it should be other way around. If they don't want to solve it properly I don't care anymore.
I had my share of my own of customers and if any problem apeared, no matter if it was directly my fault or not, I was reaching to them and trying to solve it as soon as possible, apologizing and compensating if needed, it's common sense to me, but I might be strange smile

Re: New Roland Pianos [Re: Colin Miles] #2819536
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Nordomus, calling Roland isn't begging. You will probably get a clearer update or faster service.

When I had a technical issue with auto-off not working on my FP90, I found Roland to be very responsive. They tried to help, but I discovered that auto-off doesn't work if there's a MIDI connection to a computer that is on.


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Re: New Roland Pianos [Re: Beakybird] #2819546
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You should certainly call Roland direct and you may then find out if it is Roland or the dealer who is the problem. The samples I referred to are the other piano sounds, not the modelled ones.


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Re: New Roland Pianos [Re: Colin Miles] #2819551
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I guess Roland has decided for them the future is all Modeled Pianos.


All these years playing and I still consider myself a novice.
Re: New Roland Pianos [Re: Colin Miles] #2819595
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Originally Posted by Colin Miles
You should certainly call Roland direct and you may then find out if it is Roland or the dealer who is the problem.

They are aware of the problem and they are aware of the time it takes(because it's all up to them), nothing more to say, if I could contact someone in charge about this then yeah that might work but nowadays it's all about nameless call centers and internet forms. Although now that you mention it, last time I had problem with their piano contacting Japan support actually worked so I might try that, will think about it smile

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Years ago I had a problem with a recently purchased Korg Triton Studio. The dealer wasn't being responsive so I tracked down the names and email addresses of various executives at Korg USA and escalated the issue to them. Within a couple days, they had a brand new one delivered to my house, taking the damaged one away.

My point is, it can sometimes help to escalate problems directly with the manufacturer.

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Yeah you have a point obviously, I know that. I think I'm just tired of this whole thing and kinda gave up though.

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For those interested in my Roland/Mx Music problem:

I've called shop this monday and it turned out they already had replacement in their storage(mat version though) so again they have failed to even give me information that that unit was on the way and I had to find out it's already here by calling them(to generaly ask what is happening with my case). Not only that, today they had pressured me to decide what to do by saying they have buyer for my replacement, that made me a little angry.
So I've decided I'm not gonna leave my money to them, also I'm not sure about this Roland's keyboard so in the end I'm getting refund and I'm 70% sure I'm gonna get Kawai CA98(after testing CA78 a bit).

As for Roland itself. Roland please be better prepared for bad things next time, and test your pianos before you ship them overseas.
Although If noone else makes modelled digital piano then I'm sure I'm gonna still consider Roland in the future.

One good thing for me and you all is that most likely I will be able to give you proper comparison between Roland LX-708 and Kawai CA78 and CA98 smile

Re: New Roland Pianos [Re: Nordomus] #2820327
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Originally Posted by Nordomus

One good thing for me and you all is that most likely I will be able to give you proper comparison between Roland LX-708 and Kawai CA78 and CA98 smile


Hey Nord! Good for you, it's the problem in this world that not enough people vote with their feet.

Just out of curiosity since you are looking at other options, have you not considered the CLP685? I read both good and bad things about that and wondered what's your steer on it?

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Originally Posted by Nordomus

So I've decided I'm not gonna leave my money to them, also I'm not sure about this Roland's keyboard so in the end I'm getting refund and I'm 70% sure I'm gonna get Kawai CA98(after testing CA78 a bit).


And presumably from a different dealer? Hope you don't have any problems with Kawai re other threads! And consider Yamaha if you can test them out.


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Yeah obviously I'll buy from someone else. I still consider CLP 685, it sounded really good but I like keyboard in Kawai better, Overall I'm a bit torn.

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Originally Posted by Nordomus
Yeah obviously I'll buy from someone else. I still consider CLP 685, it sounded really good but I like keyboard in Kawai better, Overall I'm a bit torn.


Too much information! Unless, of course, you've already received your refund . . . .


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And why is that?

Re: New Roland Pianos [Re: Nordomus] #2820400
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Originally Posted by Nordomus
Yeah obviously I'll buy from someone else. I still consider CLP 685, it sounded really good but I like keyboard in Kawai better, Overall I'm a bit torn.

Pretty much my synopsis when it comes to Kawai versus Yamaha, but the decision... is ... yours. I had a hard time with that.

You'll miss the huge timbral and dynamic range of the Roland and aspects of the resonance model, and that nimble feeling action ... I would think. I loved that about it the hour or more I spent on an LX708 few months ago, pure joy to play, but I couldn't live with the sound otherwise in the long run, despite the upgrade from the previous series. Considered buying it again from a better dealer so you know the condition of what you are going to get ?

IMO whatever you get, kawai or yamaha, both piano timbres are more pleasant and more authentic sounding (to my ears anyway) it then becomes a question of taste, or if you can be primed into liking the Kawai as Doug M would say laugh. Except I am not susceptible to priming in the way he says it works on people. Usually, for me, initial impressions stick when it comes to sound after having tried them, not based on listening demos though.

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