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Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: halherta] #2818302
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Yes, thanks Chuck. I guess I was confused about the length of the action versus the playable length of the key in all of this discussion of percentages of the fulcrums in different actions.

I guess the proof is in the pudding and we'll just have to wait and see what people think of the action when the keyboard starts showing up.

I don't think this little video clip has been shared here, it's on the Casio forum. Forgive me if it has. Here is a PS-X1000 being played in the wild:

https://youtu.be/SN1bd9w2CK8

I looked up Alicia Witt and she did piano studies at Boston University. I wish I could play like that.


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Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: FlexHank] #2818313
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Originally Posted by FlexHank
Thanks Chuck, glad someone is pointing to what matters. In the end, so far my buying search goes (most important the feel of playing the keybed), as of now it will become a decision between the Roland FP-30 (which I already tried) and the new Casio PX-S1000 (need to wait). To complete the comparison, I will compare the two with higher priced models, to evaluate if it is worth to increase the budget.

This forum is helpful with all the input, and hopefully I can add to this once I tried out more DPs.


Yeah, for sure, as I found out yesterday, the best thing to do is to try them out for yourself if you can wait.

I've now decided not to wait for these two to come out as I loved the feel of the Roland FP-30 when I tried it, and it should serve my purposes really well. I just want a DP that's as close as possible to an acoustic and that can record my playing, and which is also fairly light. The FP-30 is 3kg heavier, but as I've lost 3kg myself lately, the car brakes won't be able to tell the difference! laugh

I still look forward to hearing what people are going to think of these two new Casio DPs though. Innovation is always exciting!

Thank you all for your valuable advice.

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: LarryK] #2818320
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Originally Posted by LarryK


I don't think this little video clip has been shared here, it's on the Casio forum. Forgive me if it has. Here is a PS-X1000 being played in the wild:

https://youtu.be/SN1bd9w2CK8


Good catch, have not seen it before. I hope she was honest when she said (and not paid marketing) that the feel was really piano-like. I am convinced to wait for it, and compare with the Roland FP-30.

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: halherta] #2818323
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Good thread, and a good reminder not to take "facts" (especially color-coded numbers ... ) on the Internet too seriously.

Just for fun, I took some measurements of the front and rear dips on my PX-160, then came to work and went to the music department practice rooms and took some measurements on their acoustic uprights. They are, as you might imagine, all over the place - not just from piano to piano, but key to key. Interestingly, the piano I like best (a Kawai that seems fairly new, and is in the best shape of the lot) has measurements almost identical to my Casio.

I think from here on out, I'll ignore all the OMG TEH CASIO PIVOT!!! talk and just try things out myself. Oh, wait: you guys are always saying that, aren't you? ... laugh


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Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: TheophilusCarter] #2818522
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Originally Posted by TheophilusCarter

Just for fun, I took some measurements of the front and rear dips on my PX-160, then came to work and went to the music department practice rooms and took some measurements on their acoustic uprights. They are, as you might imagine, all over the place - not just from piano to piano, but key to key. Interestingly, the piano I like best (a Kawai that seems fairly new, and is in the best shape of the lot) has measurements almost identical to my Casio.


> What a Novel Concept! Actual measurements on an actual piano! thumb

Theophilus, you deserve some sort of prize for injecting rationality into this discussion!

Of course, you will shortly be banned from this forum... grin


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Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: gerhard_k] #2818568
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Originally Posted by gerhard_k


> What a Novel Concept! Actual measurements on an actual piano! thumb

Theophilus, you deserve some sort of prize for injecting rationality into this discussion!

Of course, you will shortly be banned from this forum... grin


I'll show myself out ... wink


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Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: halherta] #2819407
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Found the manuals for the PX-S1000 for those who are interested:

- User's Guide (Basics)
- User's Guide
- Connection Guide
- Keyboard Function List

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: halherta] #2819416
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Thanks, so indeed no Midi over Bluetooth, only audio. For the rest as expected. Now we only need independent reviews of the keybed action.

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: ap215] #2819435
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Originally Posted by ap215
Found the manuals for the PX-S1000 for those who are interested:

- User's Guide (Basics)
- User's Guide
- Connection Guide
- Keyboard Function List


Thanks for posting these- I had been looking for them. As the keyboard hasn't been out yet I'll share my experiences with past models. The PX-130 had a decent action when pressing down on the keys but it felt kind of harsh coming back up. I hope this is something not present in the newer series. Also, as I play a lot of rock and jazz with lower octaves- I found the EQ was lighter in those areas vs. Yamaha. I'm glad they added lineout on this series 1/4" as using the headphone jack wasn't good.


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Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: PossumES8Krome61] #2819489
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Originally Posted by PossumES8Krome61
As the keyboard hasn't been out yet I'll share my experiences with past models. The PX-130 had a decent action when pressing down on the keys but it felt kind of harsh coming back up.

To me, the x50-and-up models have felt much better than the x30 models did. From a very brief play of the CDP-S100, the new line does not feel too dissimilar from the x50.

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: halherta] #2819538
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Is the CDP-S100 similar then to the PX-Sx000 series? I briefly tried the S100 in NYC last weekeend


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Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: halherta] #2819543
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I love my PX-160, but now I want a PX-S1000! smile I suppose I can wait a bit ... I'm curious how the sounds compare. They both have 18, and the list is mostly the same, but there are a few differences:
For the piano sounds, the PX-160 lists concert, modern, classic, mellow, and bright, while the PX-S1000 lists concert, bright, mellow, rock, and jazz. I'm guessing they're the same, but they've just renamed modern to rock, and classic to jazz. I hope so, anyway, since those are the two I use the most.
For the electric piano sounds, the PX-160 has e.p. 1, e.p. 2, FM e.p, and 60's e.p., while the PX-S1000 has e.p., digital e.p. 1, digital e.p 2, and 60's e.p. If I had to guess, I'd say they dropped one of the Fender Rhodes variations and added a DX-7 variation.
Otherwise, they look like the same list.


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Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: PossumES8Krome61] #2819658
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Originally Posted by PossumES8Krome61
Is the CDP-S100 similar then to the PX-Sx000 series? I briefly tried the S100 in NYC last weekeend

Yes, I believe it is physically the same action, with enhanced software on the PX. As Mike Martin explained earlier in this thread:

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Both the PX-S and CDP-S keybeds feature a NEW scaled, weighted hammer action and keys with simulated ebony and ivory surfaces. The PX-S keybed also includes a patent-pending "smart scaling" feature that simulates the hammer and key behavior of each of the 88 keys individually.


A bit more description from Casio's press release:

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88-Key Digital Scaling creates a grand piano-like touch:
The touch of a grand piano varies with the differences in size and weight of the hammers over each of the 88 keys. The PX-S1000/S3000 models deliver the feeling of playing a grand piano through a meticulous key-by-key digital simulation of these subtle differences in touch

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: PossumES8Krome61] #2819674
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Originally Posted by PossumES8Krome61
Is the CDP-S100 similar then to the PX-Sx000 series? I briefly tried the S100 in NYC last weekeend


I believe the keyboard action are the same, however I expect the PX-Sx000 sounds are superior.

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Originally Posted by Kawai James
I believe the keyboard action are the same, however I expect the PX-Sx000 sounds are superior.

Yes, Mike mentioned elsewhere that the CDP-S100 piano sound is AHL II, CDP-S350 is an AiX variant, and the PX use an improved AiR. (AiR was what was on the previous Privias, AiX is what's on the CTX keyboards, AHL is older.) So sonically, the CDP-S100 piano sound is probably closest to the CDP-130, the CDP-350 is probably closest to the CT-X3000, the PX would be closest to (but improved from) the last generation of Privias.

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Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: anotherscott] #2819711
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Thanks for the details Scott. I didn't see your previous response about the keyboard actions before replying.

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Hope this is the right place to ask this question. I have an upright at home, but due to roommates work nights and sleep during day, I can barely practice. Thus I have been thinking purchasing a keyboard. (mainly classically trained, want to prepare for grad program audition).

My budget is around $1000 (include bench, stand, 3 peddle). Tried the P125, PX160 at the store, I liked the feel and the coating of the keys on the PX160. Been doing some research, haven't found a FP30 at store to try, also read the Kawai ES110 should provide closer feel to a piano keys.
Question is, should I wait for the S1000, or should I give the other options above a go?

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. . . Thus I have been thinking purchasing a keyboard. (mainly classically trained, want to prepare for grad program audition).


When is the audition ?

If it's soon, you need to practice _now_, and you _know_ you can get a PX160 today. IMHO it'll be about as useful, as a practice instrument, as the FP30 and ES110.

If the audition is farther in the future, you might want to wait for the indefinite delivery date of a PX-S1000.

Practice note: Because the note sustains (on all of those, I think) are shorter than an acoustic piano's, you'll tend to over-pedal. Be aware of that, and try to play an acoustic piano whenever possible.


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Originally Posted by gary93
Question is, should I wait for the S1000, or should I give the other options above a go?

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. . . Thus I have been thinking purchasing a keyboard. (mainly classically trained, want to prepare for grad program audition).

When is the audition ?

If it's soon, you need to practice _now_, and you _know_ you can get a PX160 today. IMHO it'll be about as useful, as a practice instrument, as the FP30 and ES110.

gary93, I only have one thing to add to what Charles Cohen said. If your technique or audition repertoire calls for playing above the escapement (for example, Ravel's Nadine), you may want to consider the Roland FP30 instead as it is the only one of these models you've named that has an escapement "feel" (not a real escapement of course, but a simulated notch which you can tactilely feel and which behaves in a similar way as on a grand, except the behavior is simulated digitally instead of mechanically).


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