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10 greatest pieces #2818931
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Before you complain about this thread, I think it's a valid question to ask. About a year ago I had a conversation with an older man who was very familiar with the repertoire. I asked him what his favorite concertos were and he replied with "the ones that I still listen to anymore are..." and proceeded to list them. Clearly, certain pieces have profound lasting power with certain people. This is a very subjective question, so list your personal top ten list of greatest works. Any kind of work, any time period.

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Re: 10 greatest pieces [Re: JoelW] #2818933
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Any kind of work as in any kind of instrument?

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Originally Posted by Franz Beebert
Any kind of work as in any kind of instrument?

Any instrument except kazoo.

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OK - I'll bite !! smile

In no particular order....

Mozart - Requiem
Brahms - Requiem (particularly How Lovely is Thy Dwelling Place)
Bach - B minor Mass
Verdi - Requiem
Brahms - Academic Festival Overture
Schumann - Piano Concerto
Schubert - Wanderer Fantasy
Beethoven- Symphony No. 5
Bizet - Carmen
Chopin - Ballade No. 4

Runners up...
Rachmaninoff - Piano Concerto No. 2
Puccini - La Boheme
Schumann - Toccata Opus 7
Schumann - Novelletten Opus 21
Mozart - Symphony No. 41



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Re: 10 greatest pieces [Re: JoelW] #2819044
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So this is a sort of Desert Island list? List the pieces you could least bear to be without on a desert island? That’s a bit easier than “greatest”.

Today’s list (tomorrow’s may be slightly different), in no particular order:

[1] Mahler: Das Lied von der Erde
[2] Bach: St Matthew Passion
[3] R.Strauss: Der Rosenkavalier
[4] Faure: La Bonne Chanson
[5] Schubert: Winterreise
[6] Berg: Violin Concerto
[7] Brahms: Alto Rhapsody
[8] Schubert: Die Schöne Müllerin
[9] Stravinsky: The Rake’s Progress
[10] George Butterworth: Songs of a Shropshire Lad


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PS I like your list, Carey. smile


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Re: 10 greatest pieces [Re: JoelW] #2819060
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As per some of what was discussed on the other thread, I'm gonna do separate "greatest" and "favorite" lists. I try to distinguish although it's impossible to do it anywhere near completely, among other reasons because there's no way to talk about "greatness" without involving one's preferences.

Greatest

1. Gotta be something by Bach.....let's see....dunno....I'll say:
Toccata, Adagio & Fugue in C major (organ, with piano arrangement by Busoni)
This isn't really a real pick of that piece, just picking what piece of Bach I can think of for this. It has to be something by Bach. I almost said 6th Brandenburg Concerto.
Or "The Well Tempered Clavier."

2. Beethoven 9th Symphony
3. Brahms Requiem
4. Beethoven 5th Symphony

BTW, just decided on this "rule" (for me):
No composer gets more than 2 mentions.

5. Handel Messiah
6. Chopin Sonata in B minor
7. Mozart Sinfonia Concertante for violin and viola
8. Bach Brandenburg Concerto #6
9. Scriabin Sonata #9

So, just one more spot.
Let's see, what's missing.....
Lots of stuff. I don't know operas well enough (nor love them enough), nor Mahler and Bruckner, nor lots of other stuff.

In fact I'm going to leave off #10 completely, as an emphasis that there's just too much "I don't know" for me to attempt a complete list.


Favorite

1. Chopin Sonata in B minor
2. Chopin Polonaise in F# Minor
3. Schubert "little" Sonata in A major, D. 664
4. Mozart Sinfonia Concertante for violin and viola
5. Brahms Requiem
6. Chopin A-flat Polonaise (Op. 53)
7. Bach Brandenburg Concerto #5
8. Mozart Sonata in D major for 2 pianos, K. 448
9. Scriabin Sonata #9
10. Chopin Etude in A minor, Op. 25/11

BTW: It's coincidence that Scriabin "#9" is "9th" on either list (not to mention on both).

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Originally Posted by currawong
PS I like your list, Carey. smile
I like the first eight of yours as well. I'm not familiar with the Stravinsky or Butterworth...better do something about that !! smile


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Re: 10 greatest pieces [Re: Mark_C] #2819070
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Overcoming my restraint about completing the "Greatests" list... grin

Originally Posted by Mark_C
1. Gotta be something by Bach.....let's see....dunno....I'll say:
Toccata, Adagio & Fugue in C major (organ, with piano arrangement by Busoni)
This isn't really a real pick of that piece, just picking what piece of Bach I can think of for this. It has to be something by Bach. I almost said 6th Brandenburg Concerto.
Or "The Well Tempered Clavier."

2. Beethoven 9th Symphony
3. Brahms Requiem
4. Beethoven 5th Symphony

BTW, just decided on this "rule" (for me):
No composer gets more than 2 mentions.

5. Handel Messiah
6. Chopin Sonata in B minor
7. Mozart Sinfonia Concertante for violin and viola
8. Bach Brandenburg Concerto #6
9. Scriabin Sonata #9

....I'm going to leave off #10 completely, as an emphasis that there's just too much "I don't know" for me to attempt a complete list.

What, no Schubert??
That won't do.

Adding:
Schubert Trio (piano, violin, cello) in E-flat major, D. 929 (usu. called Op. 100)

I'm putting that as #7;
#'s 8 and 9 get bumped down one.

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Originally Posted by Mark_C
What, no Schubert??
That won't do.
Must. Have. Schubert. smile
(the E flat trio nearly went on my list too)


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Re: 10 greatest pieces [Re: JoelW] #2819076
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I love Schubert so much that my list could easily run the risk of almost only consisting of his music...

Here are what I consider top 10 greatest pieces

1. Beethoven String quartet in A minor Op 132
2. Schubert String quintet D 956
3. Bach St Matthew Passion
4. Schubert Winterreise
5. Beethoven String quartet in C sharp minor Op 130
6. Mozart Requiem
7. Bach Goldberg variations
8. Schubert Piano sonata D 960
9. Beethoven Piano sonata Op 111
10. Chopin Barcarolle Op 60

Runners up
Schubert Trout quintet in A major D 667
Schubert Piano trio in E flat major D 929
Schubert Die Schöne Müllerin
Schubert String quartet Death and the Maiden
Beethoven Piano Sonata Op 109
Beethoven String quartet in B flat major Op 130
Beethoven Symphony 9
Mozart Piano Concerto in C minor K 491
Mozart Don Giovanni
Chopin Ballade 4 Op 52
Bach WTC Bk 1 and 2
Bach Mass in B minor

Re: 10 greatest pieces [Re: Mark_C] #2819085
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Funny thing: Without seeing Jorleyy's post -- before seeing it -- I was coming back here to put that C# minor Beethoven quartet on my list. (Following extensive internal consultation grin I realized I needed to run back and put it on there.)
BTW it's actually Op. 131.

Great seeing all that vocal and chamber music on your lists!
And isn't it so: the more we see other people's lists,. we're thinking "how could I have left out [so-and-so]." But I was adding that Beethoven before seeing that anyone had mentioned it.
The Chopin Barcarolle is my favorite piece in the world. It just wasn't one of my favorite pieces at the exact moment that I did my lists. ha

Revised list:
("final" -- until I change it again) grin

1. Bach Toccata, Adagio & Fugue in C major
2. Beethoven 9th Symphony
3. Brahms Requiem
4. Beethoven String Quartet in C# minor, Op. 131
5. Handel Messiah
6. Chopin Sonata in B minor
7. Schubert Trio in E-flat major, D. 929/Op.100
8. Mozart Sinfonia Concertante for violin and viola
9. Bach Brandenburg Concerto #6
10. Scriabin Sonata #9

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Beethoven Symphony No.9
Beethoven Diabelli Variations
Bach Art of Fugue
Bach Well Tempered Clavier
Beethoven Missa Solemnis
Mozart Piano Concerto in C Minor
Beethoven Piano Concerto No 4
Schumann Fantasie op.17.
Mozart Symphony no. 41.
Schubert Sonata in B flat, D. 960.

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An impossible task...even for just piano pieces. I might try again after I have finished my quest to know every piece of classical piano literature ever published...

All I can say that my list would be very different. I would certainly include Shosty's P&F nr. 24, Chopin Barcarolle, Francks prelude, fugue and variations and prelude, choral and fugue, a couple of the best Scarlatti sonatas and Scriabin's best works. Those just never get old...but the list would soon expand beyond 10 anyway.

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Originally Posted by Mark_C
Revised list:
("final" -- until I change it again) grin

Glad I added that -- because I have to change it already (about half an hour later).

I made a mistake on the # of the Brandenburg Concerto.
I went to listen to it -- and saw that it's the wrong one. I don't mean it stinks or anything ha .....just that it's not the one I meant.
(#4, not #6; for years I've been thinking it's #6)

1. Bach Toccata, Adagio & Fugue in C major
2. Beethoven 9th Symphony
3. Brahms Requiem
4. Beethoven String Quartet in C# minor, Op. 131
5. Handel Messiah
6. Chopin Sonata in B minor
7. Schubert Trio in E-flat major, D. 929/Op.100
8. Mozart Sinfonia Concertante for violin and viola
9. Bach Brandenburg Concerto #4
10. Scriabin Sonata #9

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1. Bach Goldberg variations
2. Wagner Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg
3. Strauss Vier letze Lieder
4. Mahler Symphony no.9
5. Beethoven Symphony no.7
6. Chopin Sonata no.3
7. Brahms Ein Deutsches Requiem
8. Ravel Daphnis et Chloé
9. Strauss Eine Alpensymfonie
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In the interest of fairness (something I'm renowned for wink ), I made some ground rules: no composer shall have more than one work represented, and I'm going to list them in roughly chronological order, because I don't want a "Top of the Pops" format, because (obviously) they aren't pop, therefore they're all equally good. thumb therefore there's no clear winner, because there isn't any, and I hope that's all as clear as mud.

In no particular order except chronological order:

1) Bach: Matthäus-Passion
2) Handel: Messiah
3) Haydn: The Creation
4) Mozart: Le Nozze di Figaro
5) Beethoven: Symphony No.9
6) Schubert: Winterreise
7) Brahms: Ein deutsches Requiem
8) Wagner: Parsifal
9) Schoenberg: Gurrelieder
10) Stravinsky: Le sacre du printemps

P.S. These are what I consider to be the 10 greatest pieces in all Western music. They aren't necessarily my 10 favourite pieces wink .


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Dunno, will think about it. However, I notice a number of Requiems here and the only one I actually listen to regularly is that by Maurice Durufle. It may or may not make my 'hit list' - but on the off chance that others here are unaware of it I include a link. No apologies ;), I 'discovered' it on a cassette, whose cover picture I liked (oh dear, but I used to paint a lot at the time so that's my excuse) at Peterborough Cathedral many years ago and have loved it ever since. It comes in a number of versions, but we won't go into that...

to me it is the embodiment of church music as I understand it.


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Originally Posted by petebfrance
Dunno, will think about it. However, I notice a number of Requiems here and the only one I actually listen to regularly is that by Maurice Durufle. It may or may not make my 'hit list' - but on the off chance that others here are unaware of it I include a link.
to me it is the embodiment of church music as I understand it.


I came to Duruflé via Fauré's Requiem (they're always coupled on the same cassette/LP/CD), the latter of which I got to know very well because it was the first Requiem I sang in, as a student in my school Chapel Choir. We performed it several times, both in school concerts and local churches.

Having grown up mostly on the Austro-German masters as a chorister (singing lot of Bach, Handel and Mendelssohn), I found Fauré's musical language - with what I called its "chromatic slides" - very distinctively 'new', and the Duruflé takes that even further.

However, it has to be said that the English collegiate choral sound with pure-toned trebles was probably not what French composers had in mind wink , though that was what I loved.......


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No mention of Faun yet? Weird.

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