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Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano [Re: RosemaryGirl] #2807089
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Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
Hello all,

I'm hoping somebody might still be lurking around who could shed some light on the ES110 here.

I'm looking for my very first piano. I only started learning 3-4 months ago, and at the moment I am using a Yamaha DGX-640 which is not mine. It's very nice, although at first at was surprised by the noise the keys make when pressed — if I understand correctly, this is "bounce back" and normal on a digital piano.

Anyway, it's unlikely I'll be able to go and try a bunch of pianos, but based on reviews etc., I think the ES110 sounds right for me: I'm looking for a DP that is as close as possible to an acoustic piano and is not too heavy. I won't be using any of the frills, BUT…

We have both an Roland FP30 in DC (which I use). and an ES110 in Amsterdam (which my wife uses). I've compared them, but not side-by-side. IMO, the FP30 action feels more realistic and better than that of the ES110, although the sound of the ES110 is better than the FP30. They both are at the same price point here in the US.

Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
Currently, I am making a fair amount of recordings onto USB with the DGX-640, to listen to my playing, to appraise it critically and to keep track of my progress. I understand there is no USB port on the ES110, but is there any way that I can still record from it? How would I go about doing that?

Don't recall how to record from ES110, but the manual is here though. FP30 has a USB port and you can record MIDI files to USB thumb drive.

Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
Also, because I travel around a lot, I probably would have to settle for an X stand. In your experience, does this affect the sound quality greatly, or just a little?

Thanks a lot!

In DC, I use a furniture stand for the FP30, but in Amsterdam we are using a Z-stand for the ES110. I compared an X-stand and Z-stand and when playing ff chords with both hands, the X-stand bounces and moves, but the Z-stand is more stable feeling. Don't know how either affect sound quality, but I can't imagine they would much, since they don't cover the speakers.


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Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano [Re: RosemaryGirl] #2807129
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Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
Also, because I travel around a lot, I probably would have to settle for an X stand. In your experience, does this affect the sound quality greatly, or just a little?

I use a "double X" stand with the ES110 sometimes, and it seems to work fine. I DO recommend a "double X" stand (with two braces running in each direction) over the common single-brace stand.

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano [Re: Kawai James] #2807245
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Thanks for your answers!

I have a MacBook Pro and an iPhone, but no iPad — hopefully, something can be sorted out without one.

A Z stand does look more sturdy, and perhaps the double X stand too, but I'm just concerned about how heavy and bulky it gets when folded to be transported. I move around a lot and it needs to fit, with all other suitcases, in the back of our Volvo estate. To give you an idea, I'm leaving Germany in two months, then spending ten days near Amsterdam (hello to your ES110-playing wife, Tyrone Slothrop :)), then a week near Paris, then a week in the Pyrennees, then a week in the centre of France, then I don't know how long in the UK. Essentially, I will have to sacrifice a lot of clothing to owning a piano I can travel around with, so the bulk and weight of the whole unit will be very important.

Can a Z-stand actually fold flat at all?

Thanks!

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano [Re: RosemaryGirl] #2807416
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Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
I move around a lot and it needs to fit, with all other suitcases, in the back of our Volvo estate. To give you an idea, I'm leaving Germany in two months, then spending ten days near Amsterdam (hello to your ES110-playing wife, Tyrone Slothrop :)), then a week near Paris, then a week in the Pyrennees, then a week in the centre of France, then I don't know how long in the UK. Essentially, I will have to sacrifice a lot of clothing to owning a piano I can travel around with, so the bulk and weight of the whole unit will be very important.

That's a lot of travel. Perhaps you should be looking at something even more portable like a Casio PX-S3000 which just was awarded "Best of Show" at the NAMM Trade Show that just ended?

Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
Can a Z-stand actually fold flat at all?

Thanks!

Ours arrived flat and can fold flat. But when buying, make sure you check the description and customer reviews on amazon.co.uk and amazon.com to make sure the one you are ordering can as well.


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Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano [Re: Kawai James] #2807441
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Thanks, Tyrone Slothrop!

The Casio PX-S3000 looks good, but I would have to wait for it, read a bunch more reviews that haven't been written yet (it took a while reading on the ES110), and more importantly, if I understand well, it's quite a lot more money… I'm hoping the ES110 will satisfy me.

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano [Re: Kawai James] #2807459
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Ok, now I've read a little about the Casio PX-S1000, I don't know what to do anymore… And I thought I was all set to buy the ES110… Don't know what to do… tired

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano [Re: Kawai James] #2807460
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Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
if I understand well, it's quite a lot more money…

I just checked and in the US, and with delivery costs included, the price of the ES110 is $726.00 USD and the price of the PX-S3000 is $799.99 USD, a difference of about 10%. What is the price for the PX-S3000 in Europe, compared to the ES110? Is it a much bigger price difference than this?

EDIT: For reference, in the US, the price of the PX-S1000 is $599.99 USD, or 17% cheaper than the ES110.


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Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano [Re: Kawai James] #2807462
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I've seen the PX-S3000 priced at £795 at Andertons Music website in the UK...that's roughly about $1000.

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Originally Posted by jamiecw
I've seen the PX-S3000 priced at £795 at Andertons Music website in the UK...that's roughly about $1000.

Wow... I wonder how Casio prices these. That seems so high compared to the ES110 when in the US, it's only 10%.


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Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano [Re: RosemaryGirl] #2807488
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Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
Ok, now I've read a little about the Casio PX-S1000, I don't know what to do anymore… And I thought I was all set to buy the ES110… Don't know what to do… tired

The S1000 sounds good so far, on paper and NAMM reviews. But it’s is unlikely to be available for a couple of months. Can you wait? Since you seem to be basing your purchase on reviews and not personal testing in stores, it may be even longer until more independent reviews are available for the S1000. Can you wait? You could do a paper exercise now of side by side comparison of price, features, functions, specs in two columns, and add a third column of things you want, really want and will use. Might help, or not!

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano [Re: Kawai James] #2807605
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Thanks for your advice.

I noticed that on the UK website jamiecw mentions, they will have the Casios in store on Feb 2, which is quite soon… Yeah, as I mention on the Privia thread, I actually can use my current Yamaha DGX-640 (which is not mine) until the end of March, so it's probably worth waiting until then… Who knows, I might pass a shop on my travels where I can try the ES110 AND the Casios, with any luck.

I still don't understand how the US and UK prices can vary so considerably though.

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Hi RosemaryGirl,

with respect to the noise of the keys: it can be an issue
- when playing the piano with a very low volume. However that is pretty unrealistic... if you would like an experience close to an acoustic, you want to keep the volume around 60-80% typically.
- when playing with headphones and others sleeping in the very same room or with zero sound insulation in the walls.

With respect to recording:
MIDI transfer signals when is which key pressed (and some volume/velocity data as well) and released. Then a software piano (VST) can reproduce the sound (or something similar if you dont use VST for just playing). Bluetooth connection transfers MIDI data only as well as far as I know.
For a real audio recording you might want to connect the line out of ES110 into the line in of the recording device (most likely a PC, could work with good old tapes as well etc.)


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Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
Thanks for your advice.

I noticed that on the UK website jamiecw mentions, they will have the Casios in store on Feb 2, which is quite soon…


RG - that is what Andertons Music are saying however in reality what they do is put up a date and keep pushing it back if stock is not received...so unless Casio has the new PX-S series ready to go this date is likely to be pushed and pushed and before you know it Spring is upon us and the Casios are nowhere to be seen. I know this cause I experienced this with them when I was waiting for the SL73 to come in...

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Ah, I see…

Well, thanks for the info, jamiecw, and also to Jasper E. for all those details on recording especially. If I decide for an ES110, I'll come back here to share my news! If I wait until March for the Privia PX-S1000 or PX-S3000 (most likely), I might not pollute this Kawai thread any longer and share my news somewhere else! laugh

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Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
Ah, I see…

Well, thanks for the info, jamiecw, and also to Jasper E. for all those details on recording especially. If I decide for an ES110, I'll come back here to share my news! If I wait until March for the Privia PX-S1000 or PX-S3000 (most likely), I might not pollute this Kawai thread any longer and share my news somewhere else! laugh

UK store dates for the Casio’s.

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Still pondering whether to buy one of these…

Do any of you use your ES110 with an iPad much? Do you find you get a lot out of the Bluetooth functionality?

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by RosemaryGirl
Still pondering whether to buy one of these…

Do any of you use your ES110 with an iPad much? Do you find you get a lot out of the Bluetooth functionality?

Thanks!

I bought my wife an ES110 and we could absolutely not get Bluetooth working, even with an iPad that worked immediately on my FP30. Wife tried to contact Kawai but due to lack of responsiveness, we gave up. It's actually fine. She didn't need Bluetooth (neither did I), it was just something she wanted to check with the app.


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Yes I use my I pad w Garage band . Bluetooth works great BUT each app has to have their own blue tooth activation. So download ( I learned this on this forum)Ble Midi from App Store . It when activated, automatically turns on and allows you to use all apps on I pad that are Bluetooth capable.

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Originally Posted by Hotstrings
Yes I use my I pad w Garage band . Bluetooth works great BUT each app has to have their own blue tooth activation. So download ( I learned this on this forum)Ble Midi from App Store . It when activated, automatically turns on and allows you to use all apps on I pad that are Bluetooth capable.

Interesting. But why do you supposed the Roland app works with my FP30 but the Kawai app doesn't on the same device with the ES110? Are you saying that because I had the Roland app activated first, that this prevented the Kawai app from activating, but that if I install Ble Midi on that iPad, that solves this problem and my iPad will no longer only connect to the FP30, but it will then be able to connect to the ES110 too?


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"Discipline is more reliable than motivation." -by a contributor on Reddit r/piano
"Success is 10% inspiration, and 90% perspiration." -by some other wise person
"Pianoteq manages to keep it all together yet simultaneously also go in all directions; like a quantum particle entangled with an unknown and spooky parallel universe simply waiting to be discovered." -by Pete14
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Yes I use my I pad w Garage band . Bluetooth works great BUT each app has to have their own blue tooth activation. So download ( I learned this on this forum)Ble Midi from App Store . It when activated, automatically turns on and allows you to use all apps on I pad that are Bluetooth capable.

Interesting. But why do you supposed the Roland app works with my FP30 but the Kawai app doesn't on the same device with the ES110? Are you saying that because I had the Roland app activated first, that this prevented the Kawai app from activating, but that if I install Ble Midi on that iPad, that solves this problem and my iPad will no longer only connect to the FP30, but it will then be able to connect to the ES110 too?


You should be able to connect your ipad to multiple Bluetooth BLE devices. There are some limits and restrictions enforced by the operating system (e.g. iOS does not allow connections to multiple output audio devices or to multiple smartwatches), but you should have no issue (apart from latency) connecting to several MIDI devices. An app like Korg's BLE MIDI (or midimittr, BlueSee or MIDI Wrench) will scan for and list all available BLE devices and then allow you to connect the iOS device to them. This is useful because some apps are not prepared to scan for BT BLE devices and therefore cannot initiate a MIDI connection. That may be the limitation you are experiencing with the Kawai VT app. By the way, I have connected my CA98 and a portable BT keyboard (as a controller) simultaneously to an iPad. You can also connect one MIDI device to multiple apps at the same time (also have a look at apps like midimittr, midiflow or audiobus if you need to re-route the MIDI connections if needed, but I believe that is not your use case).

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