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Need Help With Upright Purchase #2817294
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Background- 40 years old and started learning a year ago on a Yahama P255 keyboard. I am know looking to get an upright since we just finished our basement. There is not room for a grand so this is not an option. I like a warm sound with the highest clarity I can get. I want to by something that I won’t have to upgrade or replace during my lifetime and that’s a quality made piano. The piano also needs to be white per our house latlyout and the approval from my wife for the purchase. I have three kids under 9 that I hope will also learn in the future. I really like the Steinway 1098 I played but it’s a 2018 not a 1965 below. I also liked the Schimmel the clarity was not as good as the 2018 1098 but good enough.

What I’m considering so far

New Schimmel Classic 120 $19k

1965 Steinway 1098 refurbished by Lindeblad new hammers and strings case redone in white. All work will be done once/if I order it. Downside of this is that there is no practice pedal and I’ve heard they are very hard to tune and keep in tune. $19k

Blüthner C I have not played this but listen to a ton of clips on you tube. Downside is it’s over my budget and there is not one close by. $31k.

Haessler by Blüthner 118 I found 2-3 clips of this on YouTube and love the sound clean and crisp. Downside is that it’s over my budget and there is not one close by. $24k

Kawai k300 well within by budget sound is ok but not as good as the rest. The one I tried needed a bit of a tune and was not as clear as the others I tried. $9k.


Any help, insight, or recommendations would be great. I was looking at spending 15-20k I could swing 30k but it’s really pushing it. 9k would be awesome but would I be satisfied in the long run with a Kawai.

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Re: Need Help With Upright Purchase [Re: Mrtrex] #2817322
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Why not buy the Kawai, you should be able to get a serious discount from that 9K or upgrade to a k500 or even k800. Imo the kawai action is very good for beginners and will hold up nice to the abuse of 3 children.


Then use the trade up(make sure your dealer offers that, most do) to purchase your dream piano if you still like it 5 years down the road.


That way you don't have a 20k piece of furniture.


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Re: Need Help With Upright Purchase [Re: Mrtrex] #2817323
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Would probably recommend against the 1098. Doesn't have a great reputation (I had one). Don't know where you are, or what's involved with getting to try the Blüthner or Haessler. Most of us would recommend against buying something you haven't played, though if you need white, I presume that's a special order anyway. Not sure how you can compare the Kawai to YouTube clips. If you're fairly close to Lindeblad, you can't be that far from a number of stores. Most of us are willing to do quite a bit of driving if necessary.

Re: Need Help With Upright Purchase [Re: Mrtrex] #2817328
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They would ship the 1098 I’m in Pittsburgh PA and they are in NJ. I have a Kawai, Yahama, Schimmel, and Steinway dealer here.

Re: Need Help With Upright Purchase [Re: Mrtrex] #2817333
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I will need to special order all of these due to the color.

Re: Need Help With Upright Purchase [Re: Mrtrex] #2817334
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Trying to get an idea of the sound via YouTube is not a great idea and you'll have no idea about the touch. If you are at all fussy about tone and/or touch, you should definitely not buy without trying out the piano first.

Re: Need Help With Upright Purchase [Re: Mrtrex] #2817337
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Don't overlook it, just because it is Chinese. Much better than the Kawai.


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Re: Need Help With Upright Purchase [Re: Mrtrex] #2817402
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I’d pass on the Steinway 1098 as well. Much better uprights out there that are less expensive IMHO. Try to find a new or used Charles Walter console to play. I like them quite a bit. While I’ve never played one, I've read a number of favorable comments regarding the Hailun uprights. My tech, who sells them really raves about them and I trust his judgement. Good luck

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Re: Need Help With Upright Purchase [Re: Mrtrex] #2817436
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If the choice of finish must be white and because that means that you may have to special order the piano, you are severely limiting yourself in choice of instrument and opting more for furniture finish. Any piano, new or used, should be played by the potential buyer before purchase. Since pianos, because of the organic materials that go into their construction, can vary in tone and touch from one instrument to another, even in the case between two of the same make and model, it is almost imperative that one play the piano that one is going to buy if one is at all concerned about touch and tone.

Special ordering for the purpose of getting the finish one wants is only a viable option if the dealer guarantees that you do not have to purchase the piano if you are not completely satisfied with it. I don't know that many dealers would be willing to have to take into stock a special-order instrument that is not in a conventional, readily-marketable finish.

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Re: Need Help With Upright Purchase [Re: BruceD] #2817460
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Originally Posted by BruceD
If the choice of finish must be white and because that means that you may have to special order the piano, you are severely limiting yourself in choice of instrument and opting more for furniture finish. Any piano, new or used, should be played by the potential buyer before purchase. Since pianos, because of the organic materials that go into their construction, can vary in tone and touch from one instrument to another, even in the case between two of the same make and model, it is almost imperative that one play the piano that one is going to buy if one is at all concerned about touch and tone. Special ordering for the purpose of getting the finish one wants is only a viable option if the dealer guarantees that you do not have to purchase the piano if you are not completely satisfied with it. I don't know that many dealers would be willing to have to take into stock a special-order instrument that is not in a conventional, readily-marketable finish.
To the OP - per Bruce's good advice above: 1) You should definitely play the specific piano you plan to buy (not just another of the same model) prior to purchase, and 2) the dealer should give you the option of not following through on the purchase if the special order instrument is ultimately not to your liking. Also be aware that if you purchase a white piano and decide to sell it in the future, you will find it difficult to do so.

Do the prices quoted above for the instruments you are considering reflect the special order white finish?

Finally, I would encourage you to consider the Kawai K-500 over the K-300.


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Re: Need Help With Upright Purchase [Re: Carey] #2817564
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Carey +1. White pianos cost more but are difficult to sell down the road. White pianos are in the love it or hate it category, which is why few dealers display them. It might be different in Florida or Hawaii. White pianos do look great in a beachy tropical location.


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Re: Need Help With Upright Purchase [Re: Mrtrex] #2817715
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The K500 doesn't come in White according to the Kawai Global catalog. Too bad, because it is a big step up from the 300.

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Re: Need Help With Upright Purchase [Re: Mrtrex] #2817750
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I could never have a white piano ! The fridge is enough white !
Whatever you decide, touch ,listen ,play and see the piano first .
Then check with a technician if it's used .

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Re: Need Help With Upright Purchase [Re: Lady Bird] #2818231
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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
I could never have a white piano ! The fridge is enough white !


There is no reason to limit yoursekf to a white fridge. One could go for a Smeg fridge and follow up with a Schimmel K213 Otmar Alt. wink

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Originally Posted by Mrtrex
Background- 40 years old and started learning a year ago on a Yahama P255 keyboard. I am know looking to get an upright since we just finished our basement. There is not room for a grand so this is not an option. I like a warm sound with the highest clarity I can get. I want to by something that I won’t have to upgrade or replace during my lifetime and that’s a quality made piano. The piano also needs to be white per our house latlyout and the approval from my wife for the purchase. I have three kids under 9 that I hope will also learn in the future. I really like the Steinway 1098 I played but it’s a 2018 not a 1965 below. I also liked the Schimmel the clarity was not as good as the 2018 1098 but good enough.


On a more serious note than my previous post, August Förster is a piano that springs to mind when you say "warm sound" and "highest clarity".
They have a range of high-quality uprights that sounds awesome.
They can custom make any colour you like, including white.
Here is a link to video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpJMR5Sl9cY
The playing starts at 3:47. I have played this instrument myself a few times and it is a real treat.

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Re: Need Help With Upright Purchase [Re: Skjalg] #2818235
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Originally Posted by Skjalg
Originally Posted by Lady Bird
I could never have a white piano ! The fridge is enough white !


There is no reason to limit yoursekf to a white fridge. One could go for a Smeg fridge and follow up with a Schimmel K213 Otmar Alt. wink

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Now I could live with those ......on a blue day !

Re: Need Help With Upright Purchase [Re: Mrtrex] #2818296
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Perhaps the op should try a Sauter upright instead of an
A .Forster .
My point was it's better to get black piano seen and played than a white one unseen and not played .
I mean you could order anything without trying it !

Re: Need Help With Upright Purchase [Re: Lady Bird] #2818470
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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Perhaps the op should try a Sauter upright instead of an
A .Forster .
My point was it's better to get black piano seen and played than a white one unseen and not played .
I mean you could order anything without trying it !


I agree that you should play any piano before purchasing.


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I think we've lost the OP.


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