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Baldwin #2812560 02/09/19 01:11 AM
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I mentioned in another thread that the PTG has released the list of institute classes for this year's national convention. There's going to be a session on Baldwins!

I think that as Steinway continues their price-inflating antics, that more and more people are going to realize the value that the Baldwin Artist models hold.



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Re: Baldwin [Re: Retsacnal] #2812639 02/09/19 09:59 AM
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I like Baldwins too, Retsacnal. Of course, I would assume the PTG would include the newer Baldwins from China? Or, maybe not. There are likely still enough American (Mexican?:-) made Baldwins still around to justify a class on the specific model, I suppose.

On the other hand, my dabbler method of learning is usually trial and error (after a bit of prerequisite research). Not the best teaching method, but a great learning model and you don't soon forget what you learned. smile

On the other, other, hand, ( smile ) I only work on my own pianos and therefore have only myself to blame if something goes wrong. smile

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If you are referring to the class presented by Mr. Bill Shull, RPT; I think the emphasis will be on history from start to post WW2. Bill is the finest piano historian I know of.


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Yes, I think history is the emphasis, but the title is "Baldwin History and Service." It also says it will survey the designs and models too (which, of course, could also be considered historical!).

Anyway, it sounds like an interesting session.



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Originally Posted by Retsacnal
Yes, I think history is the emphasis, but the title is "Baldwin History and Service." It also says it will survey the designs and models too (which, of course, could also be considered historical!).

Anyway, it sounds like an interesting session.


I have always enjoyed the "classic" Baldwin concert grands. I love their sound.



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Steinways come through my shop often, Baldwins not as much. I'm working on a Baldwin L at the moment, and it's just such a well made piano with a great sound. If I had to chose between the two after 40 years of being around each. I'd choose a Baldwin as my personal piano.
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Originally Posted by Chernobieff Piano
Steinways come through my shop often, Baldwins not as much. I'm working on a Baldwin L at the moment, and it's just such a well made piano with a great sound. If I had to chose between the two after 40 years of being around each. I'd choose a Baldwin as my personal piano.
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Originally Posted by Carey
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Steinways come through my shop often, Baldwins not as much. I'm working on a Baldwin L at the moment, and it's just such a well made piano with a great sound. If I had to chose between the two after 40 years of being around each. I'd choose a Baldwin as my personal piano.
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Steinways come through my shop often, Baldwins not as much. I'm working on a Baldwin L at the moment, and it's just such a well made piano with a great sound. If I had to chose between the two after 40 years of being around each. I'd choose a Baldwin as my personal piano.
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I played a nice little 1963 Baldwin L (6'3") over the weekend in a showroom. I played on one of these from that era in a recording studio for many years. I've always liked the L. To me it has the bass of a 7' piano. The cabinet was pretty tattered, but it wasn't in bad shape at all. It played pretty well. I think a little regulation and voicing would have brought it a long, long way. I'm sure it would be a candidate for rebuild, but they are only asking about $6000.00 for it. A couple of isles over was a 1920's S&S A3 (6'4"). Overall, I'd rate them in similar condition. They are asking about $35k for the A3. At that price difference, I'd go for the Baldwin L over the S&S A3 any day.

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Exactly, that price difference is just branding, not a reflection of being a better piano. My client got his L for $1,000 and is having me restore it. Still coming way under a Steinway in price. Plus, I can comfortably replace the decal with no worries of recourse.

Should be a lot of great Baldwin deals out there.


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Originally Posted by Chernobieff Piano
Should be a lot of great Baldwin deals out there.

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On first pass I read "...lot of great Baldwin decals out there! laugh ha


But to the sentiment expressed, yeah, I think the Artist models represent tremendous value. YMMV, and, of course, have any specimen that you're interested in inspected before purchase.



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In 1984 we purchased 60 Baldwin pianos here at Boston University/Music, 30 Hamilton model uprights and 30 grands of which 9 are the SD 10 Concert grand, a bunch of the other grand models so I am well familiar with them all. They have been absolute workhorses and all now have a million miles on them and yes after 35 years some of the 9' pianos have been demoted from Performance pianos to lesser studios but still serviceable.


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Originally Posted by martin snow
In 1984 we purchased 60 Baldwin pianos here at Boston University/Music, 30 Hamilton model uprights and 30 grands of which 9 are the SD 10 Concert grand, a bunch of the other grand models so I am well familiar with them all. They have been absolute workhorses and all now have a million miles on them and yes after 35 years some of the 9' pianos have been demoted from Performance pianos to lesser studios but still serviceable.
That is one heck of a great run - and speaks volumes about the basic quality of those instruments. So disappointed that they are no longer being built.


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In 1984 we purchased 60 Baldwin pianos here at Boston University/Music, 30 Hamilton model uprights and 30 grands of which 9 are the SD 10 Concert grand, a bunch of the other grand models so I am well familiar with them all. They have been absolute workhorses and all now have a million miles on them and yes after 35 years some of the 9' pianos have been demoted from Performance pianos to lesser studios but still serviceable.
That is one heck of a great run - and speaks volumes about the basic quality of those instruments. So disappointed that they are no longer being built.


I know of a 1972 SD 10 that has had pretty heavy use, but still plays and sounds amazing. They did have their quality issues for a period of time. I did play a couple of sour apples built in the late 1980's and early 1990's. But I had both of those regulated and voiced by a master technician and they really came alive.

I agree! It's so sad that those great Baldwins are no longer made.

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Just wanted to say that I absolutely love my Baldwin SD-10. Originally constructed in 1989, Renner action completely rebuilt in 2015. I love "her" so much that I gave her a name. My students all love her as well.

I've never played a Baldwin grand that I didn't like. I can't say the same about another famous American maker. In the time and place I grew up in, Baldwins were THE high-end piano - I never saw or played a piano from that other maker except for (ironically) in Cincinnati. My teacher had a Baldwin. I guess the "Baldwin sound" became synonymous with the sound of a good piano in my youth, and that sticks with me til this day.

Now, my ideal studio setup would be to have a nice Steinway D (or perhaps B) sitting alongside my Baldwin SD-10, thus having the best of both worlds. Somehow I can't convince my wife that I need the Steinway as well as the Baldwin...


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That would be a nice setup. Keep working on that. Maybe you'll have a breakthrough with her.

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Retsacnal, I have never played a Baldwin or an M&H .Have you got a
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I have this book about pianos and of course it mentions Baldwin .
One day we will vacation in the States and then I intend to try these
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I love the sound of American made Baldwin grands, especially the larger ones. Warm yet powerful. Very responsive. I haven’t played the Chinese made Baldwin’s. I know I’m an old fuddy duddy and I should probably get a stern lecture from Norbert but a Chinese made Baldwin seems like a sacrilege.


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