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My practise workspace is a sound nightmare #2814176
02/12/19 05:44 PM
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Where I practise kills the sound and especially the high notes end. I'm in the attic room of the house where I also work full time from home.

The room is fully carpeted with a mass of odd angles. My first digital piano replacement for the Yamaha P-45 sounded muffled, but even worse the e above middle c resonated loudly, something about where the piano was created some kind of natural resonance with the e key and made it really difficult to play any piece where every other note was muffled out of existence but the e key shone bright.

I replaced the piano not really realizing what the problem was and the new one arrived today. The new piano deals better with the layout. The sound coming out of the top of the piano directed at me works better but the sound is still muffled. But best of all there is no key which finds a natural resonance in the space. Using the bright grand option really helps but doesn't solve the problem completely. It is good enough to work with.

Interestingly the Yamaha P-45 didn't seem to have much of a problem with the space and how it sounded. Perhaps the small cheap speakers which would have sounded tinny were muffled which might actually improve the way it sounded.

I imagine that what room in your house your piano is in and where it is positioned is not an uncommon problem.

Pulling the piano into the centre of the room definitely helps a lot. But unfortunately it can't stay there.

I don't really seem to have an actual question, I can't do a lot to change the room now, and being the attic room I can't rip up the carpets, that is going to make it a nightmare for the bedrooms below.

But it would still be interesting to know other people's experiences.

Kevin

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Re: My practise workspace is a sound nightmare [Re: KevinM] #2814181
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headphones FTW!


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Re: My practise workspace is a sound nightmare [Re: KevinM] #2814187
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That's definitely part of my solution. Sometimes though a pimple in the ear or an ear infection makes wearing headphones uncomfortable, also sometimes even my partner wants to hear me play. So better sound would be good, which is why I'm interested in what others have done.


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Re: My practise workspace is a sound nightmare [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2814188
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
headphones FTW!

Eh? Is that an anagram of WTF? LMK so I know whether to report your post or not.

EDIT-- you get repeated pimples in the ear, OP? I used to get those. Extremely tricky to excise, I must say.

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Re: My practise workspace is a sound nightmare [Re: thickfingers] #2814190
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Originally Posted by thickfingers
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
headphones FTW!

Eh? Is that an anagram of WTF? LMK so I know whether to report your post or not.

FYI


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Re: My practise workspace is a sound nightmare [Re: thickfingers] #2814279
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Originally Posted by thickfingers

Eh? Is that an anagram of WTF? LMK so I know whether to report your post or not.


This is no time to be making jokes. Acoustics are a serious business!

Re: My practise workspace is a sound nightmare [Re: KevinM] #2814287
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Ayup. In my case, the music room has too many bare / hard surfaces, which cause a very short but brittle sort of reverb effect. Not pleasant ... Short of a major remodel of the room, complete with acoustic tiles, etc., I'm mostly just learning to live with it. If I'm recording something, and want it to be a little better, I may throw some blankets around the room, lower the shade to cover the windows, etc. Also, just plain hooking my DP up to my amp and setting the amp in various spots until I find one that's better than the rest. I could probably also mess with the settings on my DP (esp. the brilliance setting), but I haven't experimented with that much yet. Mostly, I need a new house with a dedicated professional music room. smile


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Re: My practise workspace is a sound nightmare [Re: KevinM] #2814307
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I'm surprised your sound is muffled, usual a room in a house will have too much reverb, that why we use a carpet, curtain and acoustic panel. Maybe you could try studio monitor instead of the cheap speaker. My digital and acoustic are in my basement and I built some acoustic panel because the treble were too aggressive.



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Re: My practise workspace is a sound nightmare [Re: KevinM] #2814317
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Not to cheapen your sonic experience any further but could you compensate for this artificially, for example add some kind of electronic reverb etc off the piano effects / external unit? I know it would probably end up making it crappier but could be worth a go if it's really subtle. Going for the "Warm small room" preset, you know, that kind of thing.

And an eq as well. I mean, that's the kind of thing they do in studios, albeit after the fact usually, but even so.

Re: My practise workspace is a sound nightmare [Re: KevinM] #2814318
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Off topic and completely useless but can't resist:

I had an odd sounding E once too. We had three pet degus in a cage near the piano. These cutey pies:
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One loved E. Every time I played E, it sat on its haunches and sang back its own E, a bit off pitch. laugh Took a while to figure out.

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Originally Posted by keystring

One loved E. Every time I played E, it sat on its haunches and sang back its own E, a bit off pitch. laugh.


Did the others like other notes? Like, if you played a simple tune you could get them kind of performing like a close harmony style barber shop group?

Re: My practise workspace is a sound nightmare [Re: KevinM] #2814373
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Originally Posted by KevinM
Sometimes though a pimple in the ear or an ear infection makes wearing headphones uncomfortable

You can turn the volume up, and put the earphones a bit higher, close to your temples.


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I have the same thing in reverse - the reflecting surfaces of my piano location mean that even with reverb etc turned off, through the speakers my FP30 sounds like a honky tonk piano.
Through headphones though, with settings adjusted, it sounds great.
Which is fortunate cos I play though headphones all the time anyway.


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