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Garritan CFX Newbe #2814103 02/12/19 01:52 PM
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There has been so much written about this in other threads (Usually off-topic). However, I can’t find one specifically addressing the settings for non-classical (Jazz, Ballads). Reading another thread with CFX mentioned several times, prompted me to get the full version. After spending a few hours with it I can not get it to sound “right”. Not through headphones or speakers. I run a cable from the headphone jack on the Mac to “line-in” on the piano. I know it can sound great as I have listened to some of your YouTube recordings. As suggested, I started with: Full- classic-default. It sounds sort of electronic, hollow? I’m not sure how to describe it. I have it installed on my new-er iMac. It easily meets the requirements. But, it is not a seperate dedicated computer. Do I need to buy another computer just to run Garritan? It’s not the end of the world. It’s hard to beat the Pianist sounds of the NV10, especially through the speakers. I just thought it would be nice to have the Yamaha sound also. Any suggestions as to settings?


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Originally Posted by TomLC
After spending a few hours with it I can not get it to sound “right”.

Welcome to VSTs! This is how they are.

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It’s hard to beat the Pianist sounds of the NV10, especially through the speakers. I just thought it would be nice to have the Yamaha sound also.

You might want to look into Yamaha's own offerings plus MIDI and audio cables to feed it back into the NV10. No, I'm not kidding.


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Originally Posted by JoeT
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After spending a few hours with it I can not get it to sound “right”.

Welcome to VSTs! This is how they are.

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It’s hard to beat the Pianist sounds of the NV10, especially through the speakers. I just thought it would be nice to have the Yamaha sound also.

You might want to look into Yamaha's own offerings plus MIDI and audio cables to feed it back into the NV10. No, I'm not kidding.


You mean: Buy another piano?


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Re: Garritan CFX Newbe [Re: TomLC] #2814120 02/12/19 02:32 PM
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Gombessa uses CFX with NV10. He can give some hints.


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Originally Posted by TomLC

You mean: Buy another piano?

Well, sound modules haven't been a thing for while and Yamaha's own CFX implementation is not available as a VST. And I can assure you: It works much better, no hours of "settings" required.

So yes, it boils down to what you have to do with acoustic instruments if you like another sound. But thanks to MIDI and LINE out you don't have switch actions as well.


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So does Rach3master on Youtube. Gombessa is a great resource of knowledge also.


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Re: Garritan CFX Newbe [Re: JoeT] #2814127 02/12/19 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeT
Originally Posted by TomLC

You mean: Buy another piano?

Well, sound modules haven't been a thing for while and Yamaha's own CFX implementation is not available as a VST. And I can assure you: It works much better, no hours of "settings" required.

So yes, it boils down to what you have to do with acoustic instruments if you like another sound. But thanks to MIDI and LINE out you don't have switch actions as well.


Thank you Joe, but I don’t need it THAT much! smile


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Re: Garritan CFX Newbe [Re: TomLC] #2814129 02/12/19 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by TomLC
Thank you Joe, but I don’t need it THAT much! smile

Are you sure? laugh


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The beauty of Yamaha’s own solution is in the tight integration of the entire package. It’s the keyboard, the particular response/latency, the velocity mapping, speaker system, EQ.

I highly doubt it just hooking an external keyboard to a Yamaha module will be the same. I’d bet Garritan CFX will be much better. Don’t get me wrong, I love my NU1X but recommending a Yamaha gear hooked to a NV10 borders on being ridiculous smile

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Originally Posted by CyberGene
I love my NU1X but recommending a Yamaha gear hooked to a NV10 borders on being ridiculous smile

I tried Yamaha's CFX with my own budget Kawai action and unlike my VSTs it worked pretty well without investing hours into adjustments. I think it's worth a try if it can handle a much better NV10 action.


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Maybe I can find a little Steinway somewhere and hook that up too? LOL.
CyberGene, Don’t you use it too? What settings do you use?


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I use the default classic close perspective. The only changes I do: switch to player perspective (not sure that was called exactly, speaking OTOH. The other is “audience”), hammer noises turned down to almost zero. (And my re-pedaling fix). It worked lovely with the default touch on my ES7. However I sold my ES7 and haven’t yet connected it to the NU1X because I’m still too euphoric about the new piano and I spend every possible moment playing it rather than experimenting with stuff but I guess at some point I’ll also see how it goes with the Garritan.

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Originally Posted by TomLC
There has been so much written about this in other threads (Usually off-topic). However, I can’t find one specifically addressing the settings for non-classical (Jazz, Ballads). Reading another thread with CFX mentioned several times, prompted me to get the full version. After spending a few hours with it I can not get it to sound “right”. Not through headphones or speakers. I run a cable from the headphone jack on the Mac to “line-in” on the piano. I know it can sound great as I have listened to some of your YouTube recordings. As suggested, I started with: Full- classic-default. It sounds sort of electronic, hollow? I’m not sure how to describe it. I have it installed on my new-er iMac. It easily meets the requirements. But, it is not a seperate dedicated computer. Do I need to buy another computer just to run Garritan? It’s not the end of the world. It’s hard to beat the Pianist sounds of the NV10, especially through the speakers. I just thought it would be nice to have the Yamaha sound also. Any suggestions as to settings?


Maybe you should record a short clip and share it so we can hear if it's just a matter of taste or whether there might be actual hardware/software issues.


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Originally Posted by rach3master
Originally Posted by TomLC
There has been so much written about this in other threads (Usually off-topic). However, I can’t find one specifically addressing the settings for non-classical (Jazz, Ballads). Reading another thread with CFX mentioned several times, prompted me to get the full version. After spending a few hours with it I can not get it to sound “right”. Not through headphones or speakers. I run a cable from the headphone jack on the Mac to “line-in” on the piano. I know it can sound great as I have listened to some of your YouTube recordings. As suggested, I started with: Full- classic-default. It sounds sort of electronic, hollow? I’m not sure how to describe it. I have it installed on my new-er iMac. It easily meets the requirements. But, it is not a seperate dedicated computer. Do I need to buy another computer just to run Garritan? It’s not the end of the world. It’s hard to beat the Pianist sounds of the NV10, especially through the speakers. I just thought it would be nice to have the Yamaha sound also. Any suggestions as to settings?


Maybe you should record a short clip and share it so we can hear if it's just a matter of taste or whether there might be actual hardware/software issues.


Let me see what I can do tomorrow. Should I record to a thumb drive or to Garritan. I’ve not attemted recording to Garritan yet. What settings do you use? Your’s sounds great.


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I struggle with the Garritan CFX. It often sounds distant with too much reverb. The velocity curve seems to be a limiting factor in getting a VST to sound just right.


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You can record directly into the Garritan CFX standalone player, which is what I usually do (the button next to "Empty" on the bottom right).

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...tan-cfx-concert-grand-full-settings.html

I've been using these settings for a while now.


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And yes, velocity curve is something you'll have to adjust to your particular DP, which I learned when I switched from my Avantgrand to my Novus.


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Hello Tom,

Originally Posted by TomLC
After spending a few hours with it I can not get it to sound “right”. Not through headphones or speakers. I run a cable from the headphone jack on the Mac to “line-in” on the piano.


When listening through headphones, are you connecting the phones directly to your Mac, or to the NV10 (with the Mac's headphone out connected to the piano's Line In)?

Originally Posted by TomLC
Do I need to buy another computer just to run Garritan?


I doubt that would change the tonal character of the sound you're hearing. The only reason to use a dedicated computer is to ensure maximum performance, or if your everyday "main" computer is lacking in power, however I don't believe that's the case here.

JoeT's suggestion of purchasing a Yamaha DP in order to gain access to the CFX sound is interesting, but not terribly cost effective. I appreciate that that a new Clavinova owner will be impressed with their recent purchase after upgrading from an entry-level board such as the ES100, however I doubt there would be a great deal, if anything, to gain over the NV10's built-in sound. If you really wished to expand the variety of piano sounds available when playing your Novus, while sticking with the "hardware" route, I believe MIDI-ing up a second-hand Nord Electro 3 (or higher) would be far more effective (the Nord website has a good selection of acoustic piano sounds that can be uploaded into the instrument).

However, for the time being, assuming that you are keen to pursue this topic and get the most out of a very popular software piano, my suggestion would be to continue experimenting with different presets in Garritan CFX, and perhaps leave comments in the YouTube recordings that you do appreciate asking how the performers configured the software.

Best of luck!

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Thank you all for replying. I tried Rach's settings and played around some more. I just think it still sounds sort of fake using headphones compared to the Kawai. Including the sound mode. I suppose I am just used to the Kawai sound having played them for five years. I can always look at it later if I get the itch again.

James, I have the headphones plugged into the Piano.


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Originally Posted by Kawai James
JoeT's suggestion of purchasing a Yamaha DP in order to gain access to the CFX sound is interesting, but not terribly cost effective [...] I doubt there would be a great deal, if anything, to gain over the NV10's built-in sound.

In my own showroom tests, Yamaha's new samples were on par with Kawai's pianist mode (I tested CA78/98 though, the NV10 was without power). So it would be only for variety, not for outperforming the NV10.

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If you really wished to expand the variety of piano sounds available when playing your Novus, while sticking with the "hardware" route, I believe MIDI-ing up a second-hand Nord Electro 3 (or higher) would be far more effective.

This is also a great suggestion!


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