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Need Review (Pearl River gp148)
#2812876 02/09/19 09:50 PM
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Hello, I'm playing piano for 8 years (digital piano) and I finally want to upgrade to
an acoustic piano (a baby grand if possible). I found a Pearl River gp148 matching
with our budget. But I'm a little bit confused because it is an "early level" piano,
and I want to play pieces like La Campanella, Winter Wind etc. and prepare for
competitions. I am still going to go and check the piano myself but I want your
reviews about this baby grand too. Is it nice for a person who wants to play
advanced pieces and prepare for competitions? Or is it just a piano for beginners?
I have some options like Yamaha U1 too but they are way more expensive. Also, I
really want a piano with grand action, and Pearl River gp148 is the only one we can
afford for now. Any reviews appreciated, thank you.

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Re: Need Review (Pearl River gp148)
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Hi Ada -

Welcome to Piano World.

Is the GP148 you are considering NEW or USED? I'm assuming it is used, as the smallest grand currently made by Pearl River is the GP150 (4'11").

But if it is new, have you considered finding a larger, higher quality used instrument?

Pearl River pianos in general are considered to be Economy pianos. See chart in Pianobuyer:

https://www.pianobuyer.com/Articles/Detail/ArticleID/242

This doesn't mean that they are necessarily bad, but 1) you usually get what you pay for, and 2) for an advanced pianist they might not be completely satisfactory (particularly the smaller models).

https://www.pianobuyer.com/Resources/Piano-Brands-Profiles/Detail/ArticleId/93/Brand/PEARL-RIVER

Another possibility worth considering in your price range is the Kawai GL-10 (new). It has the same action as Kawai's higher end models.

https://www.pianobuyer.com/Resources/Piano-Brands-Profiles/Detail/ArticleId/83/Brand/KAWAI

I've found the smaller Hailun - new or used - grand piano models to be rather impressive and affordable (assuming they are available in your part of the world).

https://www.pianobuyer.com/Resources/Piano-Brands-Profiles/Detail/ArticleId/74/Brand/HAILUN

Both the Ritmuller GH-148 (built by Pearl River) and the Weber W-150 (built by Young Chang) have received good reviews and might be worth considering. But again, I don't know how well they'd hold up over time having advanced repertoire played on them.

https://www.pianobuyer.com/Articles/Detail/ArticleId/243/The-New-Piano-Market-Today-Staff-Picks


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Thanks for your answer. First of all, I am looking for the used ones because we don't have enough money for a new piano. (In Turkey, our budget is around $4.765 if I convert it to USD). And that Pearl River was actually the only baby grand I could find around that price. So I actually don't know what to do, maybe I just have to give up on the grand action and buy a nice&cheap upright...

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Originally Posted by Ada Yirik
Thanks for your answer. First of all, I am looking for the used ones because we don't have enough money for a new piano. (In Turkey, our budget is around $4.765 if I convert it to USD). And that Pearl River was actually the only baby grand I could find around that price. So I actually don't know what to do, maybe I just have to give up on the grand action and buy a nice&cheap upright...
I understand your situation. You should certainly go and see the Pearl River and decide if it will meet your needs. But perhaps you can find a higher quality used upright in good condition that might be more satisfactory. In graduate school, I did the vast majority of my practicing on an upright, and I was able to successfully learn advanced repertoire. Unfortunately, I have absolutely no knowledge of the piano market in Istanbul, so it is difficult to advise you. However, I would encourage you to use the Pianobuyer as a resource when evaluating different brands, and also to have any piano you are seriously considering checked out by piano technician.


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Re: Need Review (Pearl River gp148)
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Originally Posted by Ada Yirik
Thanks for your answer. First of all, I am looking for the used ones because we don't have enough money for a new piano. (In Turkey, our budget is around $4.765 if I convert it to USD). And that Pearl River was actually the only baby grand I could find around that price. So I actually don't know what to do, maybe I just have to give up on the grand action and buy a nice&cheap upright...

I'm going to be chased out of this acoustic piano forum wink but with your budget, have you thought about a good digital with an acoustic grand action? A used Yamaha Avantgrand might be around that price, and it does have a double escapement action.


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Originally Posted by Ada Yirik
Thanks for your answer. First of all, I am looking for the used ones because we don't have enough money for a new piano. (In Turkey, our budget is around $4.765 if I convert it to USD). And that Pearl River was actually the only baby grand I could find around that price. So I actually don't know what to do, maybe I just have to give up on the grand action and buy a nice&cheap upright...

I'm going to be chased out of this acoustic piano forum wink but with your budget, have you thought about a good digital with an acoustic grand action? A used Yamaha Avantgrand might be around that price, and it does have a double escapement action.
Actually, that's a good suggestion. smile


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You dont want PL playing that level of repetoire. You are going to drive it into the ground. I know because I went that route because it was in my budget too. It lasted about a month with me hammering on it. It had constant problems with friction even with different techs looking at it. In fact that is a common complaint with a lot of chinese made grands.

If all you need is the grand action, get the yamaha avant grand N1 and use it with something like garritan cfx for a better quality sound.

II had a $9k budget to start for a grand, and now that is up to $22k. In my honest opinion you are going to have a heck of a time finding any acoustic grand under $15k that can handle what you need

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Re: Need Review (Pearl River gp148)
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Originally Posted by Ada Yirik
and I want to play pieces like La Campanella, Winter Wind etc. and prepare for competitions.

With regard to my earlier recommendation of a used hybrid digital, take a look at this new post on the digital forum about the capabilities of the current generation of hybrid digitals.


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Re: Need Review (Pearl River gp148)
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Hi Ada,

Having been in a similar situation to yours some years ago. I would recommend an upright: good quality tall uprights are imo better than mos small grands (certainly anything smaller than 170cm or so). I owned a Petrof 131 upright (their largest) for 20 years and was consistently disappointed when I had to play small budget grands.

Someone mentioned Yamaha U1 which would be a good choice : others to look at in your budget are kawai, Petrof, W. Hoffman, Estonia, probably a few others I cant think of right now.


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