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Pads #2813769
02/11/19 08:08 PM
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I'm looking for isolation pads for my new monitors. The monitors now sit on top of the piano console.
Now, I don't know whether I really need the isolation or not, but I do need to raise the monitors a bit and to aim them upward to speak directly at me (because they're directional).
Having never owned such pads before I thought I'd ask for guidance.

I found this page which features ten different pads: https://myelearningworld.com/best-monitor-isolation-pads

And I found these pads on Amazon:
Auralex. . . . https://www.amazon.com/Auralex-Acou...tion/dp/B0002D0B4K/ref=asc_df_B0002D0B4K
Adam Hall. . . https://www.amazon.com/Adam-Hall-SPADECO2-Monitor-Isolation/dp/B007YFWUDO
Vocal Beat . . https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0744GRNY6/ref=sspa_dk_detail_2
Pyle . . . . . https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00SVRLQSE/ref=as_li_tl

None are really cheap, but the prices vary a lot.
Given that I find pads that fit my monitors ... does it really matter which ones I buy?

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Re: Pads [Re: MacMacMac] #2813788
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Hi Mac,

Maybe check out the IsoAcoustics. I currently use one for my subwoofer. .... But many years ago used them with my ES7 and Mackies to fill in the low end (old photo below). That is set up at the highest height. They come with long and short poles to adjust height and angles. Worth a look.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...s_iso_l8r130_studio_monitor_speaker.html

http://www.isoacoustics.com/products/iso-series-speaker-isolation-stands/


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Re: Pads [Re: MacMacMac] #2813790
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I can see, same time we are walking the same monitor speakers adventure
I already bought 2 pairs of pads as well. Today arrived Neutrik XLR cables. 2 Tourtech stands are established beside the piano and are waiting for my monitors, which hopefully will arrive tomorrow or Wednesday (these are my first monitor speakers).
Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I'm looking for isolation pads for my new monitors.

... does it really matter which ones I buy?

I don't think that's really significant difference but I would choose this ones:
Vocal Beat . . https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0744GRNY6/ref=sspa_dk_detail_2


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Re: Pads [Re: MacMacMac] #2813898
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Everyone here is mad . . . . those pads cost more than my speakers . . . .which don't need pads. I guess coming from another planet has it's advantages . . . I'd use a bit of felt and glue it to the bottom of the speakers. Don't these things have rubber feet, or something?


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Re: Pads [Re: peterws] #2813910
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Originally Posted by peterws
Everyone here is mad . . . . those pads cost more than my speakers . .

Not just here. The world is mad and getting madder...just had my morning look at BBC News. The thing is, they can't be told, they just come out with something even madder to throw you off their scent. And, it works. All you can do is throw your hands in the air, withdraw and watch them carry on with it, mad as mad can be.
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Re: Pads [Re: MacMacMac] #2813911
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I guess I should have asked about mini-pads. smile

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Originally Posted by peterws
Everyone here is mad . . . . I guess coming from another planet has it's advantages . . .


Please don't be mad. I come in peace from planet GAS.


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Re: Pads [Re: Marko in Boston] #2813929
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Originally Posted by Marko in Boston
Originally Posted by peterws
Everyone here is mad . . . . I guess coming from another planet has it's advantages . . .


Please don't be mad. I come in peace from planet GAS.


I came from Utopia. It's not all it's cracked up to be.
Sorry, Mac, no more interjections. It was the coffee . .

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Re: Pads [Re: MacMacMac] #2813933
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I guess I should have asked about mini-pads. smile

I use "Sorbothane Hemisphere Rubber Pads" on my hi-fi speakers. An example of those: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005JRN0WO/

Re: Pads [Re: MacMacMac] #2814013
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I use squares of foam that were shipped in the box of some piece of gear I bought. Cut them with an electric carving knife to fit my monitors. Does the same thing as these and look similar after my carving: Auralex MoPad Monitor Isolation

But free, wife was a bit perturbed me using the kitchen tool. But after I washed it she was good.


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Re: Pads [Re: MacMacMac] #2814015
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Hahaha. You want to isolate or couple your speakers for better sound. Or both lol.

This is another snake oil opportunity from audio.

You might notice a difference in sound at extremes. Try putting the speakers on a bed. Then try putting a piece of wood between the speakers and the bed. Then try putting them on a hard chair nearby. At these extremes all might sound a bit different. Partly due to placement..

Get some spare wood from your basement or local lumber yard for $1.

Or some of those dense foam squares used for children's rooms for $3.

Of course you can couple & isolate with both the wood and foam together for $4 hahaha

Or this spikey submarine technology for $5000 http://www.silentrunningaudio.com/isolation-stands/ohio-class-xl-plus-two/

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Seems like most speakers do better with a little more distance than directly on the piano. Also, can probably get the triangle closer to equilateral. Have you thought about putting the speakers on stands behind the piano? Is room the issue?


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Re: Pads [Re: MacMacMac] #2814030
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Actually, I'm not concerned about the isolation.
The monitors sit on top of the piano now, with just some thin furniture protector felt to avoid scratches.
That doesn't offer much isolation ... and I don't care.

The real concerns are:
1. Raise the monitors a bit.
2. Angle them upward a bit.
That's all.

newer-meister: That $3 foam square stuff makes sense ... though I'm not sure where to find that. My kids grew up in the 80s and 90s, entirely deprived of foam squares. smile Can you suggest a source? Is that a toy store item? A Wal Mar item? A Home Depot item?

Kbeaumont: Thanks for that link to the spikey submarine thingy. I enjoy the psycho, crazed audio flim-flammery. smile

Re: Pads [Re: MacMacMac] #2814049
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I think the interlocking foamy tiles parents should put on kids' floors are just the right consistency. You will offend neither the isolation camp nor the coupling camp.

The tiles are usually in bright colors but also are sold in dark grey. The typical size is 24"x24" and I bought a package of 4 for $9. Just cut with a box knife or big scissors. Cut towards your chum not your thumb.

I think the tiles with the coated "diamond plate" shapes on top might be a bit more durable than just flat foam but who knows.

These tiles are also popular at some piano schools. Put a few on the bench to instantly change the height. They are dense enough but also comfortable. My dad stole a few to cushion his computer chair.

You can find the tiles at Walmart, Lowes, Home Depot, ACE Hardware, maybe some of the big home junk-decoration stores. Here are some examples:

https://www.homedepot.com/s/interlocking%2520foam%2520tile?NCNI-5
https://www.target.com/s?searchTerm=foam+tiles

I find the foam durable and robust; effectively kid-proof. Regardless, I would keep the felt between the foam and the furniture to help protect against scratches and any paint reaction of the foam which will deteriorate after years.

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The pads I made stops the speaker vibrations from rattling my stands. Other than that they really don't do anything to improve the sound. If my floor were carpeted I probably wouldn't need them!


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Re: Pads [Re: similar] #2814117
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The distance seems fine and the monitors sound good where they are.
Originally Posted by similar
Seems like most speakers do better with a little more distance than directly on the piano. Also, can probably get the triangle closer to equilateral.
Have you thought about putting the speakers on stands behind the piano? Is room the issue?
I would be inclined to put them on stands behind the piano, if possible. That was the setup in my former home.
But those stands are too small for these monitors. The stands have 6" x 6" base plates. Far too small for monitors with a 8.5" x 11.5" footprint.
And anyway there isn't room for stands. The piano is against a wall and cannot be pulled out to make way.

I think I'll take a trip to Guitar Center this weekend. They have the Auralex pads.
And GC is conveniently near to a store where I can get the fabric I need for making covers for the monitors.

Re: Pads [Re: newer player] #2814121
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I don't think I'll use this method because I need some angling. The above-cited pads have that. These tiles don't.
Originally Posted by newer player
I think the interlocking foamy tiles parents should put on kids' floors are just the right consistency. You will offend neither the isolation camp nor the coupling camp.
Perhaps some tooling or carving of the tiles could put some "slope" into them. But I'm not Norm Abrams, nor do I have any of his shop tools. frown

This is a very good point:
Originally Posted by newer player
I would keep the felt between the foam and the furniture to help protect against ... any paint reaction of the foam which will deteriorate after years.
I had this problem when I replaced cloth doilies with plastic ones long ago. The plasticizer leached into the finish of some fine furniture, ruining the finish. Beware!


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