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Re: CP89 & CP73 [Re: halherta] #2807580
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Copy and paste from a couple posts over at the KC forum fwiw.

Originally Posted by Dave Ferris
On first play, I didn't care for either of them. (CP88/73)

Wasn't as crazy as I thought I'd be about the P 515 either. Although the form factor with the integrated stand and triple pedal unit is very attractive.

The only thing Yamaha that really impressed me was the new AvantGrand N1X.

The CP4 is sounding even better after I got home and played it for 15 minutes. wink


Originally Posted by Dave Ferris
Originally Posted by Bobadohshe
Dave what do you like about the CP4 that the CP88 lacks?


I heard the CP88 piano as sounding a bit synthetic , like I initially commented on in the videos. However just like you mentioned and giving it the benefit of the doubt- just with a short time playing it with phones, plus add it the extreme noise factor from the floor - I can't be 100% conclusive on it.

I hear the CP4 as having a less digital sound, a warmer tone in the middle for chords and lines. The new one had more presence in the top end for sure but I just didn't care as much for the overall tone. Again a short time on it, playing with phones (of questionable quality) with excessive background noise where I had to really strain to hear anything.

And I only played the piano, no EPs or other sounds.


To add, the CP73 action reminds of my old S90, which was not substantial enough for Jazz piano.

However I was very impressed with the new Casio Privia. Just going on this video (it sounds better here then what I heard at NAMM because of the medium grade phones and the over the top ambient background noise) I prefer it to the CP88. The tone is less processed and synthetic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_...gpYuIZILha2EKVyTU1BJ1XH5gijNrOO5l_STRC6A

Again, I reserve the right to be more impressed with the Yamaha in a more quiet situation where I can hear everything more clearly - with either quality phones like my Senn 650s or a pair of high quality active speakers and preamp. Like my RCF TT08As and JMK Audio JM-110 pre/di.

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Re: CP89 & CP73 [Re: Dave Ferris] #2807758
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Dave,
Thanks for your input. If you get to try the CP88 in a quieter setting please let us know if it sounded any better. It'll be at least a couple of months before it shows up at my local dealer. I'll be sure to check out the demo unit when it does.


I agree, those Privias sure do look and sound nice!

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Re: CP89 & CP73 [Re: Marko in Boston] #2809217
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The v1.1 update weighs 1.1GB including some new sounds, so does that give us an idea of the CP’s total internal memory?

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Originally Posted by Fleer
The v1.1 update weighs 1.1GB including some new sounds, so does that give us an idea of the CP’s total internal memory?

Most of this 1.1 GB should be waveforms/sounds. The rest are system files, styles, etc.. So, the CP should have at least ca. 1GB worth of rewritable physical memory. There could be more memory available but not currently in use. For instance, the Genos has 1.8GB available for expansion. Anyway, once more information on the internals of the new CP is available, you can be sure it will get reported on the PSR forums.

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Re: CP89 & CP73 [Re: Marko in Boston] #2809645
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Cheers.
Hoping there’s enough space to add sympathetic resonance samples.

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Originally Posted by Fleer
Hoping there’s enough space to add sympathetic resonance samples.

I don't think the issue here would be space, it would be the OS supporting the functional implementation.

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Good to see a couple of real (as opposed to simulated) upright instruments - they sound great to me.

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Originally Posted by anotherscott
Originally Posted by Fleer
Hoping there’s enough space to add sympathetic resonance samples.

I don't think the issue here would be space, it would be the OS supporting the functional implementation.

Cheers, a/Scott.
Ever seen this happen on a board, updated after launch?

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Originally Posted by Fleer

Ever seen this happen on a board, updated after launch?


Significant updates are rare. But they happen more often nowadays as DPs become more like GP computers.

Dexibell has updated their entire OS (Aquaviva) for existing DPs before, increasing speed and capability, and enabling features such as USB audio, increasing user-available storage, etc. Apparently there are still features that can be unlocked in the future on their boards? Yamaha has enabled USB audio on several of their latest gen DPs too. I don't recall if big feature-adds like that have happened beyond that.


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Thanks.
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Originally Posted by Fleer

Ever seen this happen on a board, updated after launch?

Adding significant features? Yes. (Korg Kronos and Roland FA come to mind.) Specifically adding sympathetic resonance? Not that I'm aware of.

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Originally Posted by anotherscott
Originally Posted by Fleer

Ever seen this happen on a board, updated after launch?

Adding significant features? Yes. (Korg Kronos and Roland FA come to mind.) Specifically adding sympathetic resonance? Not that I'm aware of.


The closest I'm aware of to that may be the add-on packs for one of the Rd-700s that implemented the original SuperNatural piano engine? Though that was more of a hardware upgrade I guess.


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Re: YAMAHA CP88 [Re: Marko in Boston] #2811881
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This is a pretty good walkthrough demo




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Re: YAMAHA CP88 [Re: Marko in Boston] #2811886
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They've messed up that demo. They've left his mic on throughout the playing so you're hearing a mix of direct sound and bleed through his mic from whatever monitor(s) he's using.


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Yep.

I've heard one or two videos that sounded better then what I was getting through the terrible Yamaha phones at NAMM.


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What's the situation regarding sample looping and stretching with the current Yamaha pianos? I haven't noticed either being a distraction in the demos yet.

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Does anyone know how the CP88 is powered? NEMA cord or wall wart?


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Originally Posted by JohnSprung

Does anyone know how the CP88 is powered? NEMA cord or wall wart?



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The CP88 has an internal power supply as shown in the above image



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Re: YAMAHA CP88 [Re: sullivang] #2813392
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Originally Posted by me
What's the situation regarding sample looping and stretching with the current Yamaha pianos? I haven't noticed either being a distraction in the demos yet.


To answer my own question, in regard to looping - the situation seems to be just the same (not good).
Refer to time 3:00 in this demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA0kMixwCfM&t=3m0s

I absolutely DO find that distracting. It's a shame, because I think it sounds very, very, good.

Greg.

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Originally Posted by sullivang
To answer my own question, in regard to looping - the situation seems to be just the same (not good).
Refer to time 3:00 in this demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA0kMixwCfM&t=3m0s

I absolutely DO find that distracting. It's a shame, because I think it sounds very, very, good.

Greg.



That demo is the best out there in my opinion. It's what really turned me on to the idea of owning a modern Yamaha DP.

Yes, there is audible looping but it is a fair bit better than before in my opinion - previously it was a very static, synthy short frequency drone, like Kawai's looping (probably worse than Kawais actually). For what it's worth when playing I am not very often aware of looping and I would also point out that the CFX sound is somewhat less prone to unpleasant looping characteristics than the Bosendorfer (which is the relevant part of the clip you link to).

Interestingly, having just played that closing chord (from 3:00 on your clip) on my CLP 645 I find the tell tale looping drone is more prevalent not on the bottom A he plays but the A on the octave above. It's often the lowest notes that exhibit the issue most noticeably. The Bodendorfer sound has a really delicious woody warmth to it in general.


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