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Kawai keyboard with Genos Advice Please #2812993
02/10/19 05:20 AM
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Hi, new forum user here and I've spent a good few days reading through all the VPC1 and Genos posts on the forum along with a couple of good sessions trying keyboard actions in local stores.

I have a Genos which is great, but miss a real weighted keyboard. I've decided on a Kawai action having played CA48 and CA98 plus Yamaha's and Roland's. Sadly I can't find anywhere to demo the VPC1 but understand the action will be similar (please correct me if I'm wrong). My sense at the moment is I'm fine with the piano sounds on the Genos so not looking for the ultimate piano sounds or functionality to come from Kawai.

I'd like the setup to be living room friendly.

I'm considering:

1. Stacking the Genos above a VPC1. My attempts to try this with what I've got stand wise result in the music stand on the Genos being quite high and far away.
2. Putting the keyboards at right angles, probably Genos to the left.

I've seen an old post discussing mounting options for the stacking combination http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2736702/kawai-vpc-1-as-lower-keybed.html.

If I go for the keyboards at 90 degrees I'm tempted to go for a CA model rather than the VPC1 for the aesthetics.

I'm looking for advice on:
1. Has anybody successfully sorted the stacking option (a pic would be great).
2. Would a CA model allow me to ditch the active speakers and use the pianos inbuilt amp and speakers for the Genos. I'm think technically it would (excluding CA48), but Im asking will the quality be acceptable (I'm currently using Presonus E66 monitors).
3. Any issues in using a CA model as a master keyboard.

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Re: Kawai keyboard with Genos Advice Please [Re: dhts] #2812998
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Originally Posted by dhts
I'm looking for advice on:...
2. Would a CA model allow me to ditch the active speakers and use the pianos inbuilt amp and speakers for the Genos. I'm think technically it would (excluding [quote=dhts]CA48), but Im asking will the quality be acceptable (I'm currently using Presonus E66 monitors).

If you are used to the Presonus E66 I doubt you will consider the sound on any of the CA models to be "acceptable". Only way is for you to test the setup. Likely the best option is to use the monitors to complement the CA speakers. Note that the CA78 and 98 do not have separate volume controls for the speakers and line-out which may cause trouble. You find separate line-out and speaker volume controls on the CA58. The CA48 does not have line out, so you would have to use the headphones output but that would mute the internal speakers.

Originally Posted by dhts
3. Any issues in using a CA model as a master keyboard.

Potentially yes, especially if you want to control other instruments than pianos on the Genos. Some instruments on the Genos and VSTi make use of the full range of MIDI velocities. But the CAs (and other Kawai DPs) only output a limited MIDI velocity value range (have a look at this thread). You can partially work around this limitation if you set a "light+" velocity curve on the CA and then create a proper curve on the Genos or via software. Otherwise, you won't have access to the lower and higher velocity ranges.

Re: Kawai keyboard with Genos Advice Please [Re: arc7urus] #2813020
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Thanks arc7urus for the reply.

Originally Posted by arc7urus

If you are used to the Presonus E66 I doubt you will consider the sound on any of the CA models to be "acceptable". Only way is for you to test the setup. Likely the best option is to use the monitors to complement the CA speakers. Note that the CA78 and 98 do not have separate volume controls for the speakers and line-out which may cause trouble. You find separate line-out and speaker volume controls on the CA58. The CA48 does not have line out, so you would have to use the headphones output but that would mute the internal speakers.

That's a shame as I was hoping to declutter. I'll take a MP3 player or something with me to try the line in.

Originally Posted by arc7urus

Potentially yes, especially if you want to control other instruments than pianos on the Genos. Some instruments on the Genos and VSTi make use of the full range of MIDI velocities. But the CAs (and other Kawai DPs) only output a limited MIDI velocity value range (have a look at this thread).

Thanks for the heads up, presumably this isn't an issue for the VPC1 ?

Re: Kawai keyboard with Genos Advice Please [Re: dhts] #2813383
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The same velocity limitation exists in the vpc1. But with the vpc you have a velocity curve editor that allows you to minimize the problem. But you should wait until a vpc owner comments and describes if there are issues related to the compressed velocity range. By the way, this limitations tends to exist in hammer-based actions.

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