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Sorry if it’s been asked but I would appreciate some help. I’m looking at learning piano and going to buy a DP. Two I have been considering is the Roland FP10 and the Casio PX S1000. The Roland is 100 cheaper and not sure if there is a benefit to wait for the Casio for self home use.
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Sorry if it’s been asked but I would appreciate some help. I’m looking at learning piano and going to buy a DP. Two I have been considering is the Roland FP10 and the Casio PX S1000. The Roland is 100 cheaper and not sure if there is a benefit to wait for the Casio for self home use.
Thanks in advance.

The Casio is significantly better. Enormously.


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+1 with what Ty said - the Casio is better on spec by far however the action on it is as of yet unverified by the general Joe public as it is not released yet obviously - I do expect it to be good though.

In contrast the FP10 has the decent PHA4 action which has escapement (not sure the Casio will have this if that is something of interest?). The PHA4 is also a great action to begin learning the piano, it's on the lighter side of actions yet has all the basic nuances needed to be able to sit in front of an acoustic piano. However, if you are looking at the FP30 for a very similarly priced slab I'd be inclined to look at the FP30 too - more polyphony, sounds and better speakers.

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Originally Posted by jamiecw
the Casio is better on spec by far.


Without wishing to sound like a pedant, which specs...specifically?

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Originally Posted by jamiecw
the Casio is better on spec by far.


Without wishing to sound like a pedant, which specs...specifically?

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Hi KJ - here's a few:

Casio PXS1000 vs Roland FP10

Speakers:
8W vs 6W

Outputs:
USB, Line Output (Left and Right) & Audio Input Stereo, Headphones vs USB and Headphones only

Pedals:
Optional 3-pedal standalone unit – vs FP10 3-pedals need the cabinet to co-exist

Weight:
11.2 (11.4 with batteries) Casio vs 12.3 FP10

Extras:
Battery powered option on Casio only
Bluetooth Audio on Casio vs only BT Midi on FP10

Polyphony is not stated but saw somewhere the FP10 is 92 or 96 only...I doubt the Casio will be limited to that...

Cheers,

J

Edit: forgot to add the slimline case that is on the Casio - really makes this more portable, whereas the FP10 is slim on depth but still chunky...

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IMO, all Casios until now, for me sound a bit like hammering nails, not like a piano. Maybe something will change in new models but I don't believe also I don't believe specs too much. The best assessment are giving ours hands and ears smile

I would advise to consider Roland FP10 (the same keyboard action and Supernatural sound engine like FP30). I played them in music store roughly week ago. Also I can recommend Yamaha P45 more as a sound engine, less as a keyboard action but still worth to consider.


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I don't know the two models, but I had PX-150 before and now I have FP-30. The second is supposed to have the same action of the FP-10.

I do not know how PX-150 compare to the model you propose but it must not be that dissimilar as they are in the same price range....

I like more the action of FP-30 which I found more real and less "spongy" (i do not know how to say it), but both are fine instruments.

Sound like I cannot say as I play with external VST and pretty good aplified headphones most of the time.

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Originally Posted by JSK
Sorry if it’s been asked but I would appreciate some help. I’m looking at learning piano and going to buy a DP. Two I have been considering is the Roland FP10 and the Casio PX S1000. The Roland is 100 cheaper and not sure if there is a benefit to wait for the Casio for self home use.
Thanks in advance.


Hi JSK

In the beginner range (alphabetical order), IMO, you should test the following against each other (if you can) prior to purchase:

Casio PXS1000
Kawai ES110
Roland FP10
Roland FP30
Yamaha P125
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I advise you to also consider the second hand market (for pianos up to 4 years old) because the depreciation on digital pianos is a significant factor.

E.g., for around £600 (without stand or furniture stand) you can pick up these beginner models which are not as nice to play as the following:
*For around £650, you can pick up a Kawai VPC1 second hand (piano controller with awesome action)
*For around £750, you can pick up the Kawai MP7 or Roland RD800.

That is insane if you think about it, as these are intermediate to advanced level products (that cost £1300 ish new) after 2 or 3 years depreciation

Obviously, your personal preference after testing (for the listed beginner products) will help you decide which to buy. However, any intermediate level portable or stage piano made in the last 3 to 5 years will be a much nicer playing experience than the beginner instruments, for around the same money.

Kind regards,

Doug


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+1 for second hand option

Not only you buy cheaper, but if you are bored/not happy with the sound, you can sell it without much loss, which is not the case with new stuff. The only risk is instrument condition, but if you check it in person and it works, all should be fine.


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Comparison of Casio PXS1000 vs Roland FP10 ...
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Casio PXS1000. . . Roland FP10
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Is a Casio . . . . Is a Roland

What more is needed?

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Originally Posted by AlphaBravoCharlie
+1 for second hand option

Not only you buy cheaper, but if you are bored/not happy with the sound, you can sell it without much loss, which is not the case with new stuff. The only risk is instrument condition, but if you check it in person and it works, all should be fine.


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So, the Casio PX-S1000 has more features, but is it actually BETTER than the Roland FP-10?

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As an acoustic piano replacement the Roland might actually be better. (But I don't actually know that and won't make such a claim.)

Only a handful of people in the world have played a Casio PX-S or a Roland FP-10. But for the latter there should be no surprises. It's a scaled down FP-30.

And let's not forget that the "fat" Privias like PX-160 are still available and actually in the shops as we speak. Or type. But I do think the piano sound has improved in the new PX-S models. (Yay!)

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Comparison of Casio PXS1000 vs Roland FP10 ...
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Casio PXS1000. . . Roland FP10
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Is a Casio . . . . Is a Roland

What more is needed?

I'd say in 2019, that already makes me want to buy the PXS1000!

(In 1999, things were different, eh? wink )


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The OP is/was considering either the FP10 or the PX-S1000 - which, at least on paper, the PX-S is more feature rich but I did state that the FP-10 uses the PHA4 which is adequate enough to learn on. However, for me, why would anyone chose the FP10 over the FP30 (other than it is just that little bit smaller and less heavy, which you pay for in terms of speakers and other features) is beyond me...ok if you want the smallest possible Roland with weighted keys here's the FP10 otherwise it would be the FP30 plus. IMHO

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I would own (and have owned) Casio calculators.
But for pianos I look elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I would own (and have owned) Casio calculators.
But for pianos I look elsewhere.


I owned a few premium German cars in last 10 years and used to say stuff like 'Kia, Hyundai? Give me a break'. Until I tried new Stinger. The world is changing. Smart engineering is not always reserved for 'good old brands'. When it comes to digital pianos, I think Casio is sort of a Kia wink Nice features, good warranty, interesting aesthetics and the sound is miles ahead from what it used to be 15 years ago.


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Originally Posted by AlphaBravoCharlie
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I would own (and have owned) Casio calculators.
But for pianos I look elsewhere.


I think Casio is sort of a Kia wink Nice features, good warranty, interesting aesthetics and the sound is miles ahead from what it used to be 15 years ago.


That's absolutely true! Casio = calculators, Roland, Kawai, Yamaha = pianos wink

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I would own (and have owned) Casio calculators.
But for pianos I look elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Rychubil
Casio = calculators, Roland, Kawai, Yamaha = pianos wink

It really is 2019 and not 1999. Casio of 2019 is not the Casio of 1999. Wait, I'm feeling a song coming...

Let's do the Time Warp again
Let's do the Time Warp again
It's just a jump to the left
And then a step to the right
With your hands on your hips
You bring your knees in tight
But it's the pelvic thrust
That really drives you insane
Let's do the Time Warp again
Let's do the Time Warp again


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Originally Posted by Rychubil
Originally Posted by AlphaBravoCharlie
Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I would own (and have owned) Casio calculators.
But for pianos I look elsewhere.


I think Casio is sort of a Kia wink Nice features, good warranty, interesting aesthetics and the sound is miles ahead from what it used to be 15 years ago.


That's absolutely true! Casio = calculators, Roland, Kawai, Yamaha = pianos wink


But, I have a Casio G-Shock Wrist Watch not a calculator. Oh and I have a Casio PX5s too smile


All these years playing and I still consider myself a novice.
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Yes, Casio pianos are today not what Casio pianos were 20 years ago.

But Kawai pianos are today not what Kawai pianos were 20 years ago.

More importantly ... Casio pianos are today not what Kawai pianos are today.

Casio ... hand me that calculator.
Kawai ... hand me that piano.

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