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Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev

Arpeggios are not played between black keys! You practice incorrectly.


Perhaps they meant broken chords?

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Iaroslav, did you mean that the thumb should not physically go up between the black keys in the F# minor and E-flat major arpeggios?


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Originally Posted by Dr. Rogers
Iaroslav, did you mean that the thumb should not physically go up between the black keys in the F# minor and E-flat major arpeggios?


I can't see that it would make any sense to let the thumb play between the black keys in the two arpeggios mentioned. That would mean that the other fingers would be playing very close to the fallboard, a very inefficient position for playing any key. In those two arpeggios there is only one white key (G and A respectively), so the fingers playing the black keys should be close to the front of the key, while the thumb is well towards the front of the white key. There is only one fingering for these arpeggios, regardless of the inversion (or note) on which the arpeggio may be begun.

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Originally Posted by Dr. Rogers
Iaroslav, did you mean that the thumb should not physically go up between the black keys in the F# minor and E-flat major arpeggios?

Yes, in fact I think that thumb should not physically go up between black keys under any circumstances, because there is a risk that it might get stuck there and break the rhythm.

But initially I was talking about another thing. I've got the impression that Fidel plays F# minor arpeggio using 1231231231235 fingering (right hand), inserting 2nd finger between G# and A# each time. This is incorrect and this is what I meant initially.

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Try transposing to keys that require fewer white between black notes. B and Db often work. C is supposed to be "easy" because there are no sharps or flats to worry about. But keys that are harder on your brain may be easier on your fingers. Getting your notation into MuseScore makes it easy to try the different keys.

In non-classical music, you can even drop some notes from chords. The 5 is often droppable.


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Originally Posted by JohnSprung

Try transposing to keys that require fewer white between black notes. B and Db often work. C is supposed to be "easy" because there are no sharps or flats to worry about. But keys that are harder on your brain may be easier on your fingers. Getting your notation into MuseScore makes it easy to try the different keys.

In classical music, you can even drop some notes from chords. The 5 is often droppable.



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Originally Posted by BruceD

I can't see that it would make any sense to let the thumb play between the black keys in the two arpeggios mentioned. That would mean that the other fingers would be playing very close to the fallboard, a very inefficient position for playing any key. In those two arpeggios there is only one white key (G and A respectively), so the fingers playing the black keys should be close to the front of the key, while the thumb is well towards the front of the white key. There is only one fingering for these arpeggios, regardless of the inversion (or note) on which the arpeggio may be begun.
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Indeed, so you can imagine why I found the idea of fingers "stuck between [the] black keys" in these arpeggios to be slightly amusing. A teacher would/should have corrected this issue or prevented it from happening altogether.

Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev

Yes, in fact I think that thumb should not physically go up between black keys under any circumstances, because there is a risk that it might get stuck there and break the rhythm.

But initially I was talking about another thing. I've got the impression that Fidel plays F# minor arpeggio using 1231231231235 fingering (right hand), inserting 2nd finger between G# and A# each time. This is incorrect and this is what I meant initially.


Absolutely.


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Terribly sorry. I had a last minute trip arise to a customer site about 5.5 hours away. There was a lot of driving... a lot. I'll see what I can do tonight.


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I thought I'd come back to report on the outcome and close this thread.

I kept playing and trying to turn my problem fingers a bit more and suddenly it worked. For whatever reason my brain did what it took to turn the fingers just enough to clear the black keys and not drag them down.

It feels really good, it actually "feels" like the keys got wider and my fingers got narrower but of course that's just perception.

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Awesome! Sorry, I have been having a heck of a time getting the vid to upload and taking work trips.

I was just pointing out the different ways.

Play with the tips of fingers
Rotate your hand so the fingers slide in easier
Slide forward and backward up your black keys to avoid going in between the black keys for the next note
Even playing with fingering to use smaller fingers between if necessary (change 5,3,1,5,3,1 to 5,2,1,5,2,1).

Make it work for you. When I first started I had the problem. It really does feel like the space has gotten wider because you just naturally adjust instead of struggling, after a while.

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