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Beethoven practice guide book? #2808155
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I really enjoy having Eleanor Bailie's book, "Chopin: A Graded Practical Guide," and was wondering if there's a book that is similar for Beethoven that you recommend?

I'm looking for one that delves into each piece (or even just the sonatas) by Beethoven with tips on interpretation and practice techniques.


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Re: Beethoven practice guide book? [Re: Morodiene] #2808214
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In terms of interpretation there are many including ones by Taub, Tovey, Rosen, and mamy others. I have at least two of these but haven't looked at them much so I can't make specific recommendations. I don't know/remember if any of them give practice techniques like Baiile but the Amazon descriptions might discuss this. You can search through this Amazon listing for the examples that aren't the sheet music:
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_pg_4?rh=n%3A283155%2Ck%3Abeethoven+sonatas&page=4&keywords=beethoven+sonatas&ie=UTF8&qid=1548781368

Re: Beethoven practice guide book? [Re: Morodiene] #2808235
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It's worth downloading old editions of the sonatas from IMSLP. Some of these editions are heavily edited with phrasings and pedalling etc. but the commentary is often interesting.

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Originally Posted by johnstaf
It's worth downloading old editions of the sonatas from IMSLP. Some of these editions are heavily edited with phrasings and pedalling etc. but the commentary is often interesting.
Good idea and additionally some the fingerings and pedalings could be very helpful.

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Thank you for the tip on the Chopin book. Ordered!

For Beethoven's Sonatas check out Robert Greenberg's video course (24 lectures, approx. 45 minutes each). https://robertgreenbergmusic.com/download/beethoven-piano-sonatas/.


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I almost forgot. Andras Schiff has a series of lectures on the Beethoven Sonatas. They're on Youtube.

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Originally Posted by Groove On
Thank you for the tip on the Chopin book. Ordered!

For Beethoven's Sonatas check out Robert Greenberg's video course (24 lectures, approx. 45 minutes each). https://robertgreenbergmusic.com/download/beethoven-piano-sonatas/.


I have the Robert Greenberg course and it is excellent.


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Re: Beethoven practice guide book? [Re: Morodiene] #2808389
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Great recommendations, thanks!


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I have listened to several of Greenberg's courses. I get them used on E-Bay, I get the CDs and play them while I drive to work which is about 45 minutes. Every course I bought I enjoyed.


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I strongly recommend Rosen's book about the Beethoven sonatas. He talks about all of the sonatas in the book but also other important things such as tempo and phrasing.

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I think I may prefer reading about them in a book rather than watching/listening to video lectures - something about it being in written form that I prefer I think. But I will consider the Greenberg (and Schiff since it's free!), but also place an order for the Rosen book.

Groove On: The Bailie book is really nice to have - she gives very detailed information on the typical pitfalls one encounters and also practice suggestions not just from herself but other sources like Cortot. Hope you enjoy it!


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Probably not exactly what you are looking for, but Czerny is the resource with the most direct connection to Beethoven himself.


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Originally Posted by Morodiene
I really enjoy having Eleanor Bailie's book, "Chopin: A Graded Practical Guide," and was wondering if there's a book that is similar for Beethoven that you recommend?

I'm looking for one that delves into each piece (or even just the sonatas) by Beethoven with tips on interpretation and practice techniques.


Morodiene, can you briefly describe this one? Havent' heard of that. Loving Chopin....does this delve deeply into each (or several) piece with tips on expression? Is that the idea?


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What version of Waltz in B Minor does the Chopin book have? The Fontana version?


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Originally Posted by cmb13
Originally Posted by Morodiene
I really enjoy having Eleanor Bailie's book, "Chopin: A Graded Practical Guide," and was wondering if there's a book that is similar for Beethoven that you recommend?

I'm looking for one that delves into each piece (or even just the sonatas) by Beethoven with tips on interpretation and practice techniques.


Morodiene, can you briefly describe this one? Havent' heard of that. Loving Chopin....does this delve deeply into each (or several) piece with tips on expression? Is that the idea?


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In more than 560 pages, Eleanor Bailie takes each work of Chopin and gives her suggestions for practice, study and performance. Those works are graded on a scale from Grades 4-5, through 8+ to "very advanced." Technical challenges and how to meet them are discussed as well as suggestions for interpretation. I find this book not only extremely useful, it is also well-written and interesting to read. It's one of the few books I have come across that takes the individual piano works of a composer and discusses them in the sort of detail that a student can really benefit from. There are introductory chapters on fingering, rhythm, pedaling, ornamentation, etc., etc.

One doesn't have to agree with every word that Bailie writes in the same way that we wouldn't necessarily agree with every teacher's take on how to interpret a work, but she is level-headed (no gushing over heart-rending, tear-jerking beauty, and no purple prose). Hers is a common sense approach to effectively working on - and perhaps mastering - almost all of the piano works of Chopin.


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Originally Posted by dolce sfogato
Gustav Nottebohm, briljant study, old but good and, well, in German...

Which one? Beethoveniana or Beethoven's Unterricht?


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Thanks, BruceD, for that detailed explanation. That sounds really helpful. Maybe I'll pick it up in the near future; right now working on some other skills...but again, sounds like quite a resource.


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Originally Posted by cmb13
Morodiene, can you briefly describe this one? Havent' heard of that. Loving Chopin....does this delve deeply into each (or several) piece with tips on expression? Is that the idea?


Yes, it goes into very specific ways to practice tricky passages in each piece, interpretation issues, and pedaling suggestions. You'd really like it, I think.

Originally Posted by bSharp(C)yclist
What version of Waltz in B Minor does the Chopin book have? The Fontana version?


This book speaks about the Fontana version, but it does address the others as well.


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