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Why do they do it!? #2810457
02/04/19 08:23 AM
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Been listening to some of the LX700 videos again and getting somewhat annoyed. Yes, I am sure the different modelled sounds are different but why play completely different pieces when 'comparing' them? Impossible to get a proper comparison.


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Re: Why do they do it!? [Re: Colin Miles] #2810465
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Hello,

How about this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjIBT5KumVU

Found this accidentally. Don't speak any Japanese. However even with the language barrier, have noticed that the same lady plays the same ditty on every piano in every YouTube demo. Shame about the quality of the recording but I guess all the pianos were recorded the same way.


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Re: Why do they do it!? [Re: Colin Miles] #2810504
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Originally Posted by Colin Miles
Been listening to some of the LX700 videos again and getting somewhat annoyed. Yes, I am sure the different modelled sounds are different but why play completely different pieces when 'comparing' them? Impossible to get a proper comparison.


They do that because they aren't comparing but they are selling. Some piano sound are better for classic music, some other are better for pop/jazz, so the music is chosen to best suit the piano sound.

Re: Why do they do it!? [Re: MarioPf] #2810515
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I agree with this completely:
Originally Posted by MarioPf
They do that because they aren't comparing but they are selling.


But I don't think this has any bearing.
Originally Posted by MarioPf
Some piano sound are better for classic music, some other are better for pop/jazz, so the music is chosen to best suit the piano sound.

No matter how much or how little you can spend, they want to sell you something.
A proper comparison with a better product will make the lesser product seem undesirable.
So they don't want you to make a proper comparison. They want every product to seem superb. And that can happen when each product is sampled in isolation.

Re: Why do they do it!? [Re: MarioPf] #2810540
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Originally Posted by MarioPf
Originally Posted by Colin Miles
Been listening to some of the LX700 videos again and getting somewhat annoyed. Yes, I am sure the different modelled sounds are different but why play completely different pieces when 'comparing' them? Impossible to get a proper comparison.


They do that because they aren't comparing but they are selling. Some piano sound are better for classic music, some other are better for pop/jazz, so the music is chosen to best suit the piano sound.


I realise this, but it annoys me and it my case is counter-productive and makes me starts to doubt all of what they say.


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Originally Posted by MarioPf
Some piano sound are better for classic music, some other are better for pop/jazz, so the music is chosen to best suit the piano sound.

A good piano sound excels on any genre or style of music. Going this route only shows that an instrument is deficient.

It's the merit of the grand piano, that it can be played solo as one man orchestra without needing different line-ups for different pieces or styles.


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Re: Why do they do it!? [Re: JoeT] #2810560
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Originally Posted by JoeT
Originally Posted by MarioPf
Some piano sound are better for classic music, some other are better for pop/jazz, so the music is chosen to best suit the piano sound.

A good piano sound excels on any genre or style of music. Going this route only shows that an instrument is deficient.

It's the merit of the grand piano, that it can be played solo as one man orchestra without needing different line-ups for different pieces or styles.


This is quite true. I have seen the same piano used to play classical music and, a few minutes later, jazz and it was wonderful in both cases. But in a world with thousands of videos with piano music we have been fooled by false piano standards sounds, created just by repetition.

IF the sound is 'metallic' THEN it for good for 'x' ELSE
IF the sound is 'mellow' THEN it for good for 'y' ELSE...

Re: Why do they do it!? [Re: Colin Miles] #2810653
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Originally Posted by Colin Miles
Been listening to some of the LX700 videos again and getting somewhat annoyed. Yes, I am sure the different modelled sounds are different but why play completely different pieces when 'comparing' them? Impossible to get a proper comparison.

Would you like me to record same piece played by me with all versions of the piano? I own a lx 708 and I would take the time to dot his for you if you want a proper comparison. I could only play some Tieren / Einaudi, or the most I could do would be some fur elise. I am an amateur pianist smile


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Criticism is welcomed since it helps improving and going forward.

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Re: Why do they do it!? [Re: tudor33sud] #2810672
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Originally Posted by tudor33sud
Originally Posted by Colin Miles
Been listening to some of the LX700 videos again and getting somewhat annoyed. Yes, I am sure the different modelled sounds are different but why play completely different pieces when 'comparing' them? Impossible to get a proper comparison.

Would you like me to record same piece played by me with all versions of the piano? I own a lx 708 and I would take the time to dot his for you if you want a proper comparison. I could only play some Tieren / Einaudi, or the most I could do would be some fur elise. I am an amateur pianist smile

Thank you very much for your kind offer but please don't bother on my account. I have played a 708 though didn't bother to try the various sounds, At the time I wasn't up to scratch. And MarioPf - yes - same piano, different music but still great. As I said it made me doubt the rest of what they were saying.


Roland LX7

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