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1904 Mason & Hamlin
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Hi All. I'm trying to determine a value for and hopefully sell a 1904 Mason & Hamlin Aeolian piano. This piano appears to be in very good condition and plays very well. None of the piano dealers here seem to know too much about the brand and the three big universities here are all Steinway exclusive institutions and can't help. So I thought I'd ask what anyone knows about the brand, its value etc. thank you for any help you can give.

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Normally any piano from 1904 would be in very poor condition. Was the piano rebuilt?

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Originally Posted by Adambp
Hi All. I'm trying to determine a value for and hopefully sell a 1904 Mason & Hamlin Aeolian piano. This piano appears to be in very good condition and plays very well. None of the piano dealers here seem to know too much about the brand and the three big universities here are all Steinway exclusive institutions and can't help. So I thought I'd ask what anyone knows about the brand, its value etc. thank you for any help you can give.


First of all, how do you know the piano was built in 1904? Do you have the serial number? Does the piano actually say "Aeolian" somewhere on it? Please see below for background on the "Aeolian" connection to Mason and Hamlin.

Excerpts from M&H article in Wikipedia:
The Cable Company, a Chicago piano manufacturing company, owned an interest in Mason & Hamlin from 1904 to 1924,[8] when it was sold to the American Piano Company.[9] Mason & Hamlin's role in this company was later described as the "artist's"' brand among the firm's premier lines which included Chickering and Sons ("family use") and Wm. Knabe & Co. ("Metropolitan Opera's favorite").[10] American's sales began to decline in 1928,[11] and following its collapse in the wake of the stock market collapse in late 1929, Mason & Hamlin's trademark, inventory and equipment were sold to American's competitor Aeolian for $450,000 while the factory buildings were sold off separately by the end of the following year.[9] In 1932 it became part of Aeolian-American when the two companies merged, which consolidated the control of more than twenty brands of pianos;[10] Mason & Hamlin, which had been at the former Hallet, Davis & Company piano factory in Neponset, Massachusetts, was moved to a separate plant at the Aeolian-American complex in East Rochester, New York at this time.[


Here's a link to the entire article...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mason_%26_Hamlin


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I do not know for certain. I know that this piano was purchased in1978 and has been kept tuned. I will post someguo photos here shortly as soon as I figure out how. It’s in very good shape as far as I can tell.

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Adambp, as you probably figured out, the M & H is either Aeolian or made in 1904, but can't be both. f.w.i.w., some of the pianos made in Rochester (Aeolian) are excellent restoration candidates. there are probably more M & H's around from their Rochester period than those that are not, whether the survivors from before manufacturing moved west, or after the brand was revived in Haverhill MA.

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Is it a vertical piano or a grand piano? What model M&H?
If you want to maximize the value, it would make sense to have a technician service the piano prior to sale, and provide a written report for potential buyers (or for your information, as a guide to determining an asking price).


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Originally Posted by Adambp
Hi All. I'm trying to determine a value for and hopefully sell a 1904 Mason & Hamlin Aeolian piano. This piano appears to be in very good condition and plays very well. None of the piano dealers here seem to know too much about the brand and the three big universities here are all Steinway exclusive institutions and can't help. So I thought I'd ask what anyone knows about the brand, its value etc. thank you for any help you can give.


Whether the piano is Aeolian or Mason & Hamlin is, at this point, rather immaterial. The value of the piano - if any - is totally dependent on its current condition, That you say "...appears to be in very good condition and plays very well" is not a professional assessment of its actual condition. A technician needs to examine it thoroughly to determine if it has any value. A piano that old may be a candidate for a rebuild - if it hasn't been rebuilt - may not be a candidate for a rebuild or may be worth little. Have it professionally assessed.

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I came up with the year based on the serial number 14404. A table on the internet led me to believe that its from 1904. It does say Aeolian on it though. The piano needs to be sold ASAP so being able to find a potential value and a potential set of interested buyers would be great. Im really having a hard time figuring how to get the photos I took on my iphone on to this forum. any suggestions?

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You can upload photos to the Piano Photo Gallery here and link to the photos from there. However, iPhone photos may be too big to upload unless you export them with a smaller resolution.


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Originally Posted by Adambp
I came up with the year based on the serial number 14404.


Pierce confirms number 14404 would be from 1904. Aeolian numbers would start around 41000 in 1932.

BTW, where is this piano? Upright or grand? What size?





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Originally Posted by Adambp
I came up with the year based on the serial number 14404. A table on the internet led me to believe that its from 1904. It does say Aeolian on it though. The piano needs to be sold ASAP so being able to find a potential value and a potential set of interested buyers would be great. Im really having a hard time figuring how to get the photos I took on my iphone on to this forum. any suggestions?


Perhaps the 1 in the serial number is actually a faded 4. If the serial number is 44404 then it would be during the aeolian period.

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Originally Posted by Adambp
I came up with the year based on the serial number 14404. A table on the internet led me to believe that its from 1904. It does say Aeolian on it though. The piano needs to be sold ASAP so being able to find a potential value and a potential set of interested buyers would be great. Im really having a hard time figuring how to get the photos I took on my iphone on to this forum. any suggestions?

Is it an upright or a grand ??????

If an upright, does it look something like this ?????

https://www.ebay.com/itm/233033555849


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Despite the apparent fact none of the dealers in your town have heard of Mason Hamlin (?!?), these are pianos that could potentially have value. Condition is everything for used piano, but if it is a larger grand it would have some value as a core even if it has condition issues.

As others have already asked, what model is it?


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The dealers here don't seem to know what to do with a Mason & Hamlin. the certainly know the brand but the Cleveland retail market is very slow they tell me, seem to know what to do with it. It is a Studio Grand or Baby Grand piano. Mahogany finish. Ok how exactly do I get the pictures on here from my iphone. I dont have them saved on a website is there another way?

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sounds like you are referring to either the model A grand (68 in.) or model B (64 in.). if it's really from 1904, the period is sometimes called 'golden age' ; they can be nice small grands and sometimes be good rebuild candidates, but of course condition is the huge variable.

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More likely an A or AA, definitely not a B, perhaps a T. It should say just above the serial number, or it may be cast in the plate near the back left. An A would have 26 notes in the bass, while an AA would have 20.

I suggest you call a local technician, maybe one from the Cleveland Institute of Music. Although the piano may have value, it will depend on its condition, as well as the local market. A good technician should be able to give you guidance.


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