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Re: Rarely performed sonatas of famous composers [Re: Hakki] #2807562
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Rach 1, Beethoven op 54, to name a few that haven't been mentioned.


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Re: Rarely performed sonatas of famous composers [Re: Polyphonist] #2807576
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Originally Posted by Polyphonist
...Beethoven op 54, to name a few that haven't been mentioned.
I worked on opus 54 a few years ago. The second movement is a blast! (If you like fingery stuff, which I do.)


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Re: Rarely performed sonatas of famous composers [Re: johnstaf] #2807957
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Originally Posted by johnstaf
I'm learning Schumann's 3rd. It amazes me how neglected it is.


My favorite piano work of Schumann.

All three of Tchaikovsky’s piano sonatas aren’t that good, haha.

Don’t care for Wagner’s either.

Bartok’s piano sonata isn’t performed all that often, is it?

Vincenzo Maltempo recently released a great CD that include some sonatas by Glazunov (as mentioned already) and Balakirev.

Re: Rarely performed sonatas of famous composers [Re: Hakki] #2807958
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Alkan's Les Quatres Ages

A whole lot of Scarlatti sonatas

Mendelssohn Sonatas

Czerny Sonatas

To name a few...

Re: Rarely performed sonatas of famous composers [Re: Hakki] #2808640
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Pick a number between 1 and 555. It’s almost certainly a neglected Scarlatti sonata. Either under Kirkpatrick or Longo but probably both. smile

On a more serious note I’d say the Rachmaninoff D minor.


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Re: Rarely performed sonatas of famous composers [Re: Hakki] #2808651
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The truth is, most sonatas are rarely performed. Among them are sonatas of poor quality by well-known composers, and high-quality sonatas by obscure composers, in addition to poor quality sonatas by obscure composers.


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How about Aaron Copland's piano sonata from 1941. The other side of Copland.

Copland Piano Sonata (1941)

It's not as radical as his Piano Fantasy from 1957, but still probably a surprise to those who think Copland is Appalachian Spring and Rodeo.

Copland Piano Fantasy (1957)



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pathetic sonata by von beethoven

Re: Rarely performed sonatas of famous composers [Re: Hakki] #2809115
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Long works are harder to program than short ones. The bigger problem is that nothing written for piano after Ravel, Rachmaninoff, Prokofiev, a little Stravinsky and Shostakovich is of interest to me. The Copland sonata evokes nothing. Manuel Ponce wrote a large collection of mazurkas, concert etudes, and pieces based on folk tunes. His piano (not guitar) sonatas are unattractive. Do modern composers succumb to the the siren *song* of atonality more often when they attempt longer works?


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Re: Rarely performed sonatas of famous composers [Re: Hakki] #2810018
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Clementi wrote a few sonatas .Some were played and recorded by Horowitz who felt they were neglected unduly.
Kabalevesky wrote a few which are recorded .
Albin Berg the expressionist composer wrote at least one I have heard

Re: Rarely performed sonatas of famous composers [Re: Lady Bird] #2810047
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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Clementi wrote a few sonatas .Some were played and recorded by Horowitz who felt they were neglected unduly.

Agree.

If I could pick any piece that I'd love to be able to play -- I don't mean have the opportunity to play, I mean just flat-out be able to play grin ...any piece at all by any composer, it would be Clementi's F# minor Sonata.
The unplayable thing (for me, and I'm sure for many others) is the 3rd's and 6th's in the last movement (which starts at 7:41 on here).



BTW I don't mean literally totally unplayable. I play it -- "sort of." Not how it needs to be.

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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Clementi wrote a few sonatas .
He wrote 61 Sonatas, a little more than a few.

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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
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Clementi wrote a few sonatas .
He wrote 61 Sonatas, a little more than a few.


Just a few compared to Scarlatti!

Re: Rarely performed sonatas of famous composers [Re: Orange Soda King] #2810082
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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Clementi wrote a few sonatas .
He wrote 61 Sonatas, a little more than a few.


Just a few compared to Scarlatti!


Then again what Clementi wrote were classical sonatas, so not directly comparable... and saying this as the biggest Scarlatti fan ever smile

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Originally Posted by Lady Bird

Albin Berg the expressionist composer wrote at least one I have heard


Berg only published this one sonata which is a wonderful piece. But I have been lucky to hear it twice already live so it must not be that rarely performed?

Re: Rarely performed sonatas of famous composers [Re: Hakki] #2810091
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Many 17th and 18th century Italian Sonatas are never played, many great finds there. L. Sgrizzy played some spectacular ones.
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Re: Rarely performed sonatas of famous composers [Re: outo] #2810098
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Originally Posted by outo
Originally Posted by Lady Bird

Albin Berg the expressionist composer wrote at least one I have heard


Berg only published this one sonata which is a wonderful piece. But I have been lucky to hear it twice already live so it must not be that rarely performed?

I somehow think you are lucky to have heard it twice .Perhaps I am wrong .

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Berg s sonata cannot be based on sonata form surely ? Although not
strictly 12tone ,I think he makes use of a kind of melodic series .
So is it a true Sonata ? Is it just a set of related movements ?
What makes a sonata ? Are Scarlattis works sonatas even though they are in one movement ?

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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Berg s sonata cannot be based on sonata form surely ? Although not
strictly 12tone ,I think he makes use of a kind of melodic series .
So is it a true Sonata ? Is it just a set of related movements ?
What makes a sonata ? Are Scarlattis works sonatas even though they are in one movement ?


Berg Sonata Op.1 is very much in a classical sonata form, with two main themes, with a clearly defined exposition, development, recapitulation and even a brief coda. It's not strictly atonal, though its extended harmony intertwined with rich chromaticism obscures the B-minor tonal centre. As the matter of fact, you hear the B-minor chord at the very beginning and at the very end of the piece, but its rich harmony actually follows very traditional rules as well.

It is certainly one of the most profound Op.1 ever written and I've performed it every now and then for the last 35 years. I still discover new things in it every time I revisit it.

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Originally Posted by Ken Iisaka
Berg Sonata Op.1 is very much in a classical sonata form, with two main themes, with a clearly defined exposition, development, recapitulation and even a brief coda. It's not strictly atonal, though its extended harmony intertwined with rich chromaticism obscures the B-minor tonal centre. As the matter of fact, you hear the B-minor chord at the very beginning and at the very end of the piece, but its rich harmony actually follows very traditional rules as well.

It is certainly one of the most profound Op.1 ever written and I've performed it every now and then for the last 35 years. I still discover new things in it every time I revisit it.

But do you play it as well as this guy? grin


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