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Re: Piano & Music Lovers European Tour - Join Us? [Re: Piano World] #2756253
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What a great idea! I live in the USA and won't be able to attend, Can't commit that much time. Do it in about 18 years again when I retire and I will be part of it


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Re: Piano & Music Lovers European Tour - Join Us? [Re: Piano World] #2761470
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Hi Frank and Kathy,
I’m interested, but as usual won’t be able to commit until closer to the date -say three months prior. Keep me posted.
I hope you’re both keeping welll, happy, and still smiling :-)
Cheers,
Cathryn in Darwin, Australia


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Interested, but would like to have precise dates.

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I'm still interested. Just wondering if there are any more updates?


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Re: Piano & Music Lovers European Tour - Join Us? [Re: Piano World] #2780705
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J and J of j&j would be interested depending on price and schedule.
Would love to tour piano makers in Austria, Italy, and Poland
Would love to tour homes and pianos of Beethoven, Chopin, and Schumann. Museums with very early pianos
would be interesting.
Hopefully there’s non- piano stuff for the SO’s.


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Re: Piano & Music Lovers European Tour - Join Us? [Re: Piano World] #2780986
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I think I might be of help in putting together a seriously marvelous trip for the pianophile to Europe.

Why do I think that? I am a total pianophile myself and have just returned from a one week trip to the US which turned to be about pianos and music. I visited a masterclass and attended a concert with the eminent pianist and composer Frederic Rzewski. I met artists and artist managers in New York. I spent 2 days with a really outstanding piano rebuilder in Connecticut, learning quite something about the differences in approach to rebuilding between the US and Europe and soundboard manufacturing. I've visited a restoration shop that was totally unique in its approach to rebuilding old Steinways (Think Centennials) to perfection, trying to stay as close to the original as possible.

In that sense, I might be someone to put together a tour through Europe for the dedicated pianophile that will actually have some value that you won't get on any standard tourist trip. I am pretty well connected within Europe when it comes to pianos, so let me lay out for you what I have in mind:

What countries to visit?

Germany and Austria. Period.

I can hear you screaming Italy, Fazioli, France, Pleyel, Erard - and then your screams would stop because every other European country looks to Germany and Austria in all things regarding piano manufacturing, piano builder vocational trainings, concert technician expertise. Granted, Fazioli IS interesting and it might be something that I could offer as a separate add-on to the tour, but let's focus on what we can do and where to do it, adding traveling time and distances into the calculation.

Vienna has an international airport with direct flights to NYC, Washington, Chicago, Toronto and Los Angeles. So I suggest you get comfortable with the idea of having Vienna as the beginning and end of the trip and doing all the bus/train traveling based from there. Vienna is affordable in terms of accommodation and food, so that adds value as well.

Based in Vienna, those are some of the things I would be able to organize:

* Factory tour Bösendorfer
* Visiting either: Vienna State Opera, The Vienna Musikverein or the Konzerthaus for an opera performance or a concert
* Traveling to the Liszt museum in his birthplace Raiding, visiting the concert hall and an exhibition of exceptional concert grands
* Visiting the Viennese manufacturing site of Feurich. Their Mod. 123 upright is designed and manufactured in Austria
* Visiting a piano maker who specializes in historical instruments such as the Brahms Streicher grand, all playable
* Many walk-in visits to Beethoven, Schubert, Mozart, Brahms memorial sites, all within walking or short pub transport

From there on, traveling Germany would be the next thing - and this is where it gets dicey: Many things to see, to visit, but there is no central place in Germany when it comes to things regarding piano. Just take a look at the very incomplete list of manufacturing sites in Germany:

* Steinway & Sons, Hamburg
* Bechstein, Seifhennersdorf, close both to the Czech and Polish border
* Steingräber und Söhne, Bayreuth
* Schimmel, Braunschweig
* Blüthner, Leipzig

And of course Renner as the makers of world famous actions and Abel as the manufacturer of hammers of the highest quality.

Clearly, one has to cherry pick the locations to visit and I know that everyone has different preferences. This is where I would rather think of reducing the numbers of locations to visit. I don't think it adds value to cover as many manufacturers as possible. My suggestion would therefore be:

* Visit either the Steingräber or the Blüthner manufacturing sites.

Both are experienced in hosting groups of visitors and more importantly, both are manufacturing the widest range of products at one site: from the smallest upright to concert grands. My strong suggestion would be Blüthner, for the simple reason that they are also manufacturing their own actions on site.

What else to visit in Germany piano-wise?

* The Klavierfestival Ruhr, by far the largest piano festival in the world between July and September


But then, anything else Germany might have to offer can probably be experienced in Vienna as well, so actually I can't see any real reason to extensively cover large distances and spend time and money on something that doesn't really offer an exceptional value, so I would probably stick to Vienna most of the time. While we are at it: Bösendorfer manufactures its own actions as well and has the same range of products as Blüthner has, so really, I can't see a strong value proposition for 16 hours of traveling back and forth to Leipzig.

OK, so this is just an outline of what I might be able to do, but since I have quite some resilience and flexibility, I am really open to suggestions, questions, hints and errors in perception of expectations. Before going into details of travel planning, budget, dates etc. I'd like your input on the things I wrote down, see what the reactions are and whether you might actually be willing to contribute and commit to putting together a really marvelous experience of getting a feel for the piano world in Austria.

Fire away, please.

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That all sounds delightful! I would definitely interested in a trip along those lines. The only piano production site I've visited is Steingraeber. Grotrian is also of interest to me. I haven't been to Vienna for several decades, and would love a good excuse like this to visit again.

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We would still love to put this together, but we're having trouble finding the right travel agency to set up the tour and coordinate .

If anyone has any suggestions I'd be happy to hear them (you can email me directly .. Frank(at)PianoWorld.com


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Re: Piano & Music Lovers European Tour - Join Us? [Re: OE1FEU] #2781311
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You mentioned Feurich. Are they still in business. Years ago they became sell themselves to another company(Wendel-Lung ?) which later was also gone.


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Re: Piano & Music Lovers European Tour - Join Us? [Re: Vuong] #2781328
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Originally Posted by Vuong
You mentioned Feurich. Are they still in business. Years ago they became sell themselves to another company(Wendel-Lung ?) which later was also gone.


Both Feurich and Wendel-Lung as companies, respectively their names, have been bought by an ambitious young couple from China and Austria. They are overseeing their manufactured pianos and grand pianos at their production site in Hailun, China, so different from most pianos from there they actually have their own design in regard to casting, action and some technical novelties. The final quality control and voicing is done by piano technicians from Vienna. Their Mod. 123 upright piano has been designed in Vienna and is also manufactured here. In addition to that they run Vienna's largest piano store with a huge showroom, a sophisticated repair and restoration workshop, a concert hall and a recording studio.

I like their youthful approach, but would also like to emphasize that I have no business affiliation with them whatsoever, just as with any of the other companies mentioned.

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Frank if the tour includes Italy, you must go to the Val di fiemme where the red spruce are grown for soundboards and violins. There is also the Ciresa soundboard making company there. They make the Fazioli soundboards. And it is a beautiful part of the world.


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Frank if the tour includes Italy, you must go to the Val di fiemme where the red spruce are grown for soundboards and violins. There is also the Ciresa soundboard making company there. They make the Fazioli soundboards. And it is a beautiful part of the world.


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Originally Posted by piqué
Frank if the tour includes Italy, you must go to the Val di fiemme where the red spruce are grown for soundboards and violins. There is also the Ciresa soundboard making company there. They make the Fazioli soundboards. And it is a beautiful part of the world.


Where have you been after all these years?!!

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I have decided to withdraw my offer of organizing the tour or helping with it. Lack of interest, both from participants here in the forum and no answer from Frank just show that there is not enough enthusiasm and it would not be worth my effort, sorry.

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Re: Piano & Music Lovers European Tour - Join Us? [Re: Piano World] #2807506
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Hello – Jim (aka BritishJim) & Sandy Fariss here, one of the original participants of the 2011 PianoWorld European Tour. We are assisting Frank Baxter in organizing a 2020 European tour. We are in the beginning stages of planning and have a great start with an excellent tour company we’re working with. We have been able to come up with some dates, cities, tours and, most importantly, estimated cost. We need to caution everyone none of this is set in stone, dates, cites, planned events and the cost can, and will, change.

We are projecting a cost of $5,000 per person to include hotel, breakfast, travel within Europe, entrance fee’s. This does not include airfare to Europe or meals outside of breakfast.

Planned (subject to change) itinerary:
Average stay at each location about 2 days, some only 1. Projecting 13 days in all.
We will gather in Rome, Italy on Sunday, August 30th 2020 (so if flying from the States, you would leave on Saturday, Aug 29th).
Sightseeing in Rome then the train to Venice, Italy
Fazioli factory tour in Sacile, Italy
Travel by air to Vienna, Austria
Bus to Prague, Czech Republic
Onto Bayreuth, Germany
Factory tour of Steingraeber & Söhne (this was actually in the 2011 tour)
OR alternate tour in town for those not wanting to see yet another piano factory
Final gala dinner & night in Bacharach, Germany on the Rhein river
Travel to Frankfurt, Germany for return home on Friday, September 11th

We have yet to work out all the musical components of the tour but rest assured we have already started making plans to try and have a piano at the hotel each evening!

What are your thoughts? We encourage feedback & suggestions, most importantly your interest in joining us for PianoWorld European Tour 2020. We’d like to start getting a head count. If you think you’d like to join us would you please reply to this thread indicating your interest and if there is more than just yourself coming. No commitments, just getting a rough headcount for now.
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I'm tentatively interested.

If you're planning on Prague, you won't be that far from Dresden and the August Förster factory in Löbau, then on to Berlin and Bechstein. Just a suggestion. Not that I have a finger in the pie... smirk


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Sounds amazing. And thanks for organizing. I'm definitely interested smile


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My wife and I are interested, so please add 2 to the headcount. Thanks!


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Sounds like a great trip - I'd like to join you all!


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I am interested.


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