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Re: Pianoteq...Fight! [Re: Schuberto] #2806493
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Originally Posted by Schuberto
Are the samples direct audio export?


If you mean they were exported directly from PTQ without any post editing - yes...sample rate was 41000 Hz and I bumped the bit depth to 24 bits (disabled normalise output volume and ticked use hight quality settings)

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Re: Pianoteq...Fight! [Re: jamiecw] #2806506
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Why did no one mention the awesomenes of the Video 😅

Re: Pianoteq...Fight! [Re: jamiecw] #2806602
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They sound surprisingly similar especially on the first video, but different in real life.

Though I thought that some of the recently added sounds could possibly be recreated by EQing the K2. Maybe it was the Petrof(?).

And FWIW I like the K2 and haven't invested in any extra sound packs. If I'm bored I can tweak it into a less perfect "real life grand".

Re: Pianoteq...Fight! [Re: jamiecw] #2806642
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I don't remember who said it here on Pianoworld but I can full heartily agree: All pianos in Pianoteq sounds like just another preset.


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Re: Pianoteq...Fight! [Re: Max_Forte] #2806667
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Originally Posted by Max_Forte
I don't remember who said it here on Pianoworld but I can full heartily agree: All pianos in Pianoteq sounds like just another preset.

Nyet. Nikogda. Ti sumashedshi. Von ees goruda.

Re: Pianoteq...Fight! [Re: thickfingers] #2806674
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Your post reported.


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Re: Pianoteq...Fight! [Re: jamiecw] #2806684
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You cannot be serious. It can't be that grim over there. smile

Re: Pianoteq...Fight! [Re: jamiecw] #2806707
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Thanks - nice demo. Now can you introduce a control test - repeat it using the real instruments, in exactly the same environment and mic'd identically. Chop chop. 😃

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Re: Pianoteq...Fight! [Re: jamiecw] #2806708
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You can give the PT instruments a thicker or thinner sound by use of the velocity curve, or the equiliser; Seems to me most people will tweak the sound savagely to suit themselves, in which case a lot of individuality may disappear immediately.
The only way to test these against each other, would be to use them on default, whereby what you would experience from touch, sensitivity (or lack of) dynamics etc may well resemble the acoustic which it purports to emulate. Bear in mind you may not to too fussed about that original acoustic either.
I don't think I've ever used anything on default; I try to keep adjustments to a minimum and I still seem to have excellent tonal difference between one and the other, and they all play differently.
But the upper registers seem a tad too strong generally. I've not played any piano with such prominence. Indeed, some acoustics could do with more volume on the uppers imo.

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Re: Pianoteq...Fight! [Re: jamiecw] #2806722
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The differences are very subtile. The petrof and bluethner has slightly more difference but not enough to recognize it in a glimpse compared to the rest.


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Re: Pianoteq...Fight! [Re: jamiecw] #2806736
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I assume the audio files are rendered from the same MIDI file. Is that correct?

If so, that means each piano model (preset?) is played the same way with exactly the same velocity and note duration.

Some people might not play different presets the same way like that. (I don' think I do, at least).
That's probably why difference is easier felt when playing them than listening to someone else playing.

Re: Pianoteq...Fight! [Re: jamiecw] #2806744
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That tedious piece of Chopin repeated as nauseum makes pianoteq sound a good deal worse and a good deal more boring than it really is.


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Re: Pianoteq...Fight! [Re: jamiecw] #2806827
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I think using exactly the same piece, boring or not, is the only real test of character for something like a VI. On the same default setting, using the same MIDI sequence.
That is, if you think differences in tonal character realistically convey on an internet video. Which some of us don't.

And even if they did...just how good is the brain at remembering a sound subtlety, when trying to compare a piece you're hearing now to one you just heard previously? I can't imagine Nature needing to supply a human with a capacity to compare a string of tonal qualities. If caveman didn't need that, then 21st century man (presumably) still hasn't got it...if one thinks he has, then maybe he's deluding himself (why? Possibly for impression purposes..."I'm deep", "I'm intuitive", " I'm discerning", "I can tell").

Of course, that last paragraph may all be rubbish. Or indeed, all of it. smile

Re: Pianoteq...Fight! [Re: jamiecw] #2806873
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Thanks for this video demo. I am always changing between pianoteq pianos thinking i will sound better and always felt very little differences.
I was almost making my mind up to purchase the latest bechstein model . After listening to this demo I will save my money and wait for Pianoteq 7 upgrade .
But until then i will still continue to use pianoteq for most of my practicing with the occasional Ivory and ravenscroft VSTs thrown in to reduce the fatigue and boredom of pianoteq


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Re: Pianoteq...Fight! [Re: jamiecw] #2806879
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When I sit down and practice, the pianos sound different to me. I choose the one that suits my mood.

Instead of listening to a YT video, that messes with the sound, try the trial version and let your own experience be your guide.
You may not like Pianoteq, that is fine, but then again you might just be surprised.


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Re: Pianoteq...Fight! [Re: scorpio] #2806883
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Originally Posted by scorpio
When I sit down and practice, the pianos sound different to me. I choose the one that suits my mood.

Instead of listening to a YT video, that messes with the sound, try the trial version and let your own experience be your guide.
You may not like Pianoteq, that is fine, but then again you might just be surprised.


My feeling too. If I was recording the piano I would get Garritan CFX grand. But, for just playing there is something very responsive about Pianoteq to me. Also I love the small footprint.


All these years playing and I still consider myself a novice.
Re: Pianoteq...Fight! [Re: jamiecw] #2806884
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Let me ask a naive question: In PTQ, what are the "Prelude" versions? I've been just avoiding these since I have no idea what they even are.


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Re: Pianoteq...Fight! [Re: jamiecw] #2806896
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If you open the preset manager, you can see a description of each of the presets. Preludes are meant to be a starting/introductory point I think.


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Re: Pianoteq...Fight! [Re: daz100] #2806897
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Originally Posted by daz100

But until then i will still continue to use pianoteq for most of my practicing with the occasional Ivory and ravenscroft VSTs thrown in to reduce the fatigue and boredom of pianoteq


Try practising music instead of Pianoteq . . . . . you might then enjoy it all more!


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Re: Pianoteq...Fight! [Re: thickfingers] #2806899
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Originally Posted by thickfingers
Originally Posted by Max_Forte
I don't remember who said it here on Pianoworld but I can full heartily agree: All pianos in Pianoteq sounds like just another preset.

<insulting Benny Hill stuff deleted>

Let's try to have some cultural sensitivity pls. My wife is Russian and if you had tried that on her, your ears would be ringing for a month.


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"Discipline is more reliable than motivation." -by a contributor on Reddit r/piano
"Success is 10% inspiration, and 90% perspiration." -by some other wise person
"Pianoteq manages to keep it all together yet simultaneously also go in all directions; like a quantum particle entangled with an unknown and spooky parallel universe simply waiting to be discovered." -by Pete14
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