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Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: halherta] #2805921
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Originally Posted by arc7urus
The S3000 seems to be a replacement of PX-360 but with a higher MSRP.

Casio MSRP is higher than the actual store price, at least in the USA. The PX-360 MSRP is $1199, typical sell price is $899. So that's probably going to be the sell price of the 3000.

Originally Posted by Lazerlike42
not {PX160} successors per se...but following after the PX-5S and PX-560.

In price and functionality, looks more like PX160/350/360 market than PX5/PX560.

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if done right, this DP will be on the league of ES8, P515, FP90 with much cheaper price
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And the PX-S1000 would cost one third of them.

I wouldn't be so quick to assume that it is likely to have action competitive with models triple the price and nearly double the weight, but who knows, we can be pleasantly surprised... and feel can be so subjective anyway.

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So every used technology has to be listed? Even if it doesn't, it's 'smart' instead 😊


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Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: brooster] #2805924
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Originally Posted by brooster

The PX-S3000 has the Smart Scaled Hammer Action Keyboard
Not the:
Tri-sensor Scaled Hammer Action Keyboard II

Apparently it doesn't have a triple sensor.



I think this is reading a lot into it. These are names for actions. The "Smart Scaled Hammer Action Keyboard" is an entirely new action. Just because it doesn't say "Tri-Sensor" in the name that doesn't mean that the action doesn't have three sensors.

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: halherta] #2805946
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Whether you need it or not, it's a nice feature to have without adding much weight: Alkaline AA x6, Continuous Battery Life : Approximately 4 hours.

Everything else looks to be a homerun for Casio. Great Job!


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Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: halherta] #2805951
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Looking t the PX-S3000. This looks a great product and I think they’ll sell loads of them. I’m interested in knowing what the two controllers can be assigned to. Presumably one could be assigned to modulation wheel and there is already a pitch bend controller. Overall it could be a useful studio keyboard, home keyboard or gigging keyboard. There is bluetooth audio in and also standard jacks for audio out. There is mini jack audio in as well. The optional three pedal unit looks great too. All very promising. I just wonder how good this new piano action is. Has anyone found a link to the user manual yet?

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Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: Lazerlike42] #2805954
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Originally Posted by Lazerlike42

These are names for actions. The "Smart Scaled Hammer Action Keyboard" is an entirely new action. Just because it doesn't say "Tri-Sensor" in the name that doesn't mean that the action doesn't have three sensors.

That's true... but with the presence of the third sensor being a specific selling point of some competitors' models and some of Casio's own previous models, it would be a pretty notable oversight to not mention it. It doesn't have to be in the name of the action, but you would expect the third sensor to at least be referenced somewhere in the descriptive text and/or spec page. The fact that it's not makes me think it is unlikely that the new action has three sensors. But I agree, that's not definitive. (And if losing the third sensor was the tradeoff for an action that otherwise feels noticeably better than that of the previous generation, I could live with that.)

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: Marko in Boston] #2805959
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Originally Posted by Marko in Boston
Whether you need it or not, it's a nice feature to have without adding much weight: Alkaline AA x6, Continuous Battery Life : Approximately 4 hours.

Yah, that would be nice to have as a backup during gigs, on the off chance that there's a last second issue with the power cord or the like.


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Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: halherta] #2805975
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I'm more curious about the piano sound itself, if it's by any mean enhanced. I didn't try x70 series, but I think it was updated in that generation.


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Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: halherta] #2805979
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The PX-160 had a triple sensor action, so these new Privia's probably will as well. The real question here is how realistic is the action. If it is even half decent this product will succeed. It gets a high score in pretty much everything else (tone generation, size, functionality, looks e.t.c.)

I'm also hoping for improved build quality and durability.



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Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: halherta] #2805983
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Interesting mention of the SP-34 triple pedal, which (if this listing is accurate), doesn't require the whole stand:
https://www.thomann.de/gb/casio_sp_34_sustain_pedal.htm


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Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: anotherscott] #2805988
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Originally Posted by anotherscott
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These are names for actions. The "Smart Scaled Hammer Action Keyboard" is an entirely new action. Just because it doesn't say "Tri-Sensor" in the name that doesn't mean that the action doesn't have three sensors.

That's true... but with the presence of the third sensor being a specific selling point of some competitors' models and some of Casio's own previous models, it would be a pretty notable oversight to not mention it. It doesn't have to be in the name of the action, but you would expect the third sensor to at least be referenced somewhere in the descriptive text and/or spec page. The fact that it's not makes me think it is unlikely that the new action has three sensors. But I agree, that's not definitive. (And if losing the third sensor was the tradeoff for an action that otherwise feels noticeably better than that of the previous generation, I could live with that.)


It's true that Casio advertised it as part of the name in a previous action, but I think this may have been more about the time during which that was released when having a three sensor action would have been regarded as a bigger selling point of the product and in particular as something to help consumers recognize Casio keyboards as being of higher quality when they were trying to transition to a more professional quality brand.

I disagree that advertising the number of sensors is something which other manufacturers necessarily make it a point to do. For example, just last week there was a decent discussion on this board with people trying to figure out whether one of the Yamaha action had three sensors, because they didn't seem to specify, and it turned out that it did. I seem to recall similar discussions about some of Roland's actions because if they are publishing this information, it's not in marketing materials that I have seen.

I think the number of sensors is the sort of thing that at this point in 2019 is sortof passé - not from a technological standpoint, of course, but from a marketing buzzword standpoint. When they started using them it was cool and the thing to have, but these days only nerds like us care about it and most of their market are moved by other selling points. Remember when they stopped listing "52X CD-ROM drive" and just started putting "CD-ROM drive" on computer ads?

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Some sound preview.


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Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: Lazerlike42] #2806007
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Good point that there are other 3-sensor boards out there, where the manufacturers don't make it a selling point. So it really is an open question. We'll see...

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: halherta] #2806010
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And there are actions with the number 3 in their names, but either they are not triple sensor or the number does not refer to the number of sensors. Like the RH3 and also the RH3. wink

Re: Casio PRIVIA PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 [Re: halherta] #2806070
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There are demo videos on YouTube now. Kraft music at least has Rich Formidoni from Casio talking and playing:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCus_FZHTE1MeYkyOIQ_cG5Q

They still clearly have that "Hamburg grand" sound, but it's somewhat improved perhaps.

Nothing revolutionary. Yes, they are slim. Older Privias were already slim enough for me. Yes, they have a new user interface. But can you turn off the lights while still playing the piano? And I still don't know what's "smart" about the new action. They talk about "Casio's proprietary key scaling system" that "recreates the weighting and other characteristics of each of the 88 keys individually".

Is a special system needed for that? What's there to "recreate"? Just use 88 hammers with varying weights like Roland. smile

Oh well, they are probably fine products. Maybe someday I'll get another Casio, but probably not this year.

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Originally Posted by clothearednincompo

Oh well, they are probably fine products. Maybe someday I'll get another Casio, but probably not this year.

Yah, they look nice, but I'm not sorry that I bought my PX-160 a few months ago, and don't plan to replace it right away just because these came out. I plan to enjoy the 160 as long as it plays well; after that, I'll almost certainly look to the PX-S1000 (assuming it pans out).


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CASIO TO RELEASE A SLIM AND STYLISH ELECTRONIC PIANO – THE SLIMMEST IN THE WORLD*1
High-Quality Features Including Bluetooth® Audio Offer More Ways to Enjoy

ANAHEIM, CA, January 24, 2019 - Casio America, Inc.,announced today that it will release the new PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 models in its Privia*2 electronic piano lineup. The new models feature a slim and stylish design boasting the world’s slimmest depth, while retaining a sophisticated keyboard touch and authentic timbre.

Casio originally developed the Privia series to make the joy of playing piano accessible to more people. The goal was to provide the user with the sound and feel of a grand piano at a fraction of the weight and price while delivering unprecedented value and quality. Casio released the first Privia model, the PX-100, in October 2003. Delivering an appealing overall package of features, the PX-100 received a very positive response and significantly expanded the electronic piano market.

The new PX-S1000/S3000 models deliver innovations that make playing piano more enjoyable than ever. While their slim profile makes them the slimmest digital pianos in the world, these pianos earn the Privia moniker by providing authentic grand piano sound and feel. The newly developed Smart Scaled Hammer Action Keyboard is what makes the slim 232mm depth possible. With such a slim profile, users can easily enjoy playing the piano in a variety of environments without taking up a lot of space. Going beyond the accepted standards for hammer-action keyboards, the new design reproduces the individual response characteristics of each of the 88 keys on a grand piano. The AiR Sound Source delivers the natural tone of a grand piano with string and damper resonance, and even includes mechanical damper and key sounds.

The PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 models also offer a Bluetooth audio playback feature, allowing the user to connect to their device and play along with their favorite songs. The PX-S1000 includes 18 Tones with 192 notes of polyphony, with layer/split/duet functionality. The PX-S3000 boasts 700 Tones plus 200 accompaniment Rhythms, derived from Casio’s acclaimed CT-X series instruments. The PX-S3000 also includes a backlit LCD display, a pitch bend wheel, and two control knobs that give players control over powerful DSP effects and more.
Both models also feature recording capabilities, optional 6xAA battery power, integration with the Chordana Play for Piano app, and a music rest designed to hold iOS/Android devices of nearly any size. Two headphone jacks are included, along with ¼" L/R outputs that connect to any amplifier, mixer or PA system.

Optional accessories include a matching wooden CS-68 stand, the newly-designed SP-34 portable 3-pedal unit, and the SCM-800 carrying case which can accommodate a PX-S model as well as the SP-34. Finally, classical pianists have a truly portable and affordable solution.

MAIN FEATURES OF THE PX-S1000/S3000
The slim and stylish body differentiates the Privia from other electronic pianos in its class. By making full use of the digital technologies Casio has developed over the years, the new Privia offers a high-quality keyboard touch and an elegant sound, but in a 20% slimmer (depth from front to back) body than the previous model (PX-160). The operating panel also employs illuminated touch sensor controls that disappear when powered off, delivering a simple and elegant button-less design. The compact design is complemented by optional 6xAA battery power, making the PX-S1000/3000 the most truly portable Privias to date.

New Smart Scaled Hammer Action Keyboard combines compactness with a natural playing feel

An extensive library of 800 tones and 235 rhythms supports diverse musical genres, and applications from composition, to arranging, to live performance.

Key Off Response reproduces repeat-strike performance:

The decay timing based on the keys’ movements when the fingers release from the key is digitally controlled. When the same note is struck repeatedly, the next tone sounds firmly even if the key has not completely come back up after being struck.

88-Key Digital Scaling creates a grand piano-like touch:

The touch of a grand piano varies with the differences in size and weight of the hammers over each of the 88 keys. The PX-S1000/S3000 models deliver the feeling of playing a grand piano through a meticulous key-by-key digital simulation of these subtle differences in touch.

Newly-Enhanced AiR Sound Source reproduces the rich, detailed sound of a grand piano.

Rich sustain makes for comfortable playing:

The AiR Sound Source seamlessly reproduces the natural changes in tone that result from dynamic play. In addition, it reproduces the reverberations which occur with the passage of time as the sound dies away, resulting in even richer sounding piano sustain.

Acoustic Simulator reproduces grand piano string resonance and action sounds.

The PX-S1000/S3000 models achieve a realistic grand piano timbre by reproducing the resonance of strings with frequencies closely associated with those being played as well as the resonance that occurs when strings are released by depressing the damper pedal. This feature also reproduces the sounds of a grand piano’s key action that occur when pressing or releasing a key.

Audio playback feature uses Bluetooth to provide more ways to enjoy your electronic piano.

Users can listen to their favorite songs played through the speakers of the PX-S1000/S3000 models while playing the keyboard at the same time.

Connectivity with Casio’s dedicated Chordana Play for Piano app enables intuitive piano operation.

Users can connect the PX-S1000/S3000 to any Android or iOS device via the free Chordana Play for Piano App. The app allows the user to control every aspect of the instrument; play back MIDI files with a “piano roll" display, play back audio files with tempo/pitch adjustments and vocal cancellation, and view PDF scores with support for pedal-actuated page turning.



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Anderton's in the UK have a video up about the Casio CDP-S100: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SsMHLaKpS8

I haven't seen this mentioned here on PW - where does this model fit in the line-up?


They say extra practice can make up for modesty of talent (up to a point) - I sure hope so...
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Anderton's in the UK have a video up about the Casio CDP-S100: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SsMHLaKpS8

I haven't seen this mentioned here on PW - where does this model fit in the line-up?

New entry level model.

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So - entry level below the PX-S1000, I take it...

But I'm a bit worried about the touted reduced cabinet depth of the S1000 (232mm), would not that lead to shorter key-to-pivot length? Any data on this?


They say extra practice can make up for modesty of talent (up to a point) - I sure hope so...
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