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Re: Kawai vs yamaha conservatory grands [Re: kokatla] #2804284
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Originally Posted by kokatla
Originally Posted by PianoWorksATL
I recommend expanding your search. While different, the Yamaha & Kawai models you are comparing are more similar than other brands they compete with in terms of tone and design. If you only look at those instruments, it is easy to lose perspective. If you look at a broader range of instruments that includes them, you'll have a much better understanding of why you chose the instrument that you did.

In that size range and not far from that price range, I would be looking very strongly at Hailun 178. Sure, we are a dealer, but we choose to sell it because it is a compellingly musical competitor. Real musicians are increasingly looking at more than just those few brands because they are discovering their musical value first, price value second. The Hailun 178 is an example that we are very familiar with.

Ive had bad experience with chinese made grands. Really, really strange issues that would come up after the fact needing many tech visits. So frankly, Im skeptical.


Then you may be missing out. There are some very nice Chinese made pianos that compete very favorably musically with your choices.

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Re: Kawai vs yamaha conservatory grands [Re: kokatla] #2805482
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Originally Posted by kokatla
Ive had bad experience with chinese made grands. Really, really strange issues that would come up after the fact needing many tech visits. So frankly, Im skeptical.
Ok, but I've had plenty of good, average and bad experiences on the pianos you are focused on. I don't dismiss them because of a bad experience or else I would have dismissed Steinways a long, long time ago. Unfortunately, while I relate to your natural instinct, I believe some of your frustration stems from trying to chase the same pianos that so many inexperienced players are also chasing.

If you only wish to stay in this comfort zone, note the following: Price inflation on pianos in the last 10 years has been huge. What drives the price up for new also drives the price up for used. The piano market is still pretty irregular, but production of the models you are looking for was already in decline before the recession. The slightly older examples aren't "better", but there are a whole lot more of them around, so it would be easier to focus on condition rather than age, which matter more anyway.


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Re: Kawai vs yamaha conservatory grands [Re: PianoWorksATL] #2805750
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Originally Posted by PianoWorksATL
Originally Posted by kokatla
Ive had bad experience with chinese made grands. Really, really strange issues that would come up after the fact needing many tech visits. So frankly, Im skeptical.
Ok, but I've had plenty of good, average and bad experiences on the pianos you are focused on. I don't dismiss them because of a bad experience or else I would have dismissed Steinways a long, long time ago. Unfortunately, while I relate to your natural instinct, I believe some of your frustration stems from trying to chase the same pianos that so many inexperienced players are also chasing.

If you only wish to stay in this comfort zone, note the following: Price inflation on pianos in the last 10 years has been huge. What drives the price up for new also drives the price up for used. The piano market is still pretty irregular, but production of the models you are looking for was already in decline before the recession. The slightly older examples aren't "better", but there are a whole lot more of them around, so it would be easier to focus on condition rather than age, which matter more anyway.

I didnt say Im ruling it out. I said I was skeptical. My experience was bad enough I wouldn't consider it without some kind of in home trial period which many places do not offer.

Re: Kawai vs yamaha conservatory grands [Re: kokatla] #2805888
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Among the two Japanese pianos...

Yamaha C3 and Kawai RX-2. Those are the two I personally think are the best they do in that particular range. Condition is king, as always.


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Re: Kawai vs yamaha conservatory grands [Re: kokatla] #2805897
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Kokatla - I’ve been reading through both threads you’ve posted. You might just benefit from an experienced piano technician or even your piano teacher’s help. If you can find or have an experienced tech that knows how you play, what you love, what you can overlook, exactly what type of action you want, s/he can help you find a piano you can afford, you will love playing, and that is in good condition. My previous piano teacher regularly helped students find good pianos within their budget. Piano techs and piano teachers can help you weed out the crap and focus on what might be nice. The piano market is a strange beast. Selling budget uprights and baby grands pay the bills and keep the lights on, so it’s gonna be tough to find something good on your budget. Best of Luck!


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Re: Kawai vs yamaha conservatory grands [Re: j&j] #2805909
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Originally Posted by j&j
Kokatla - I’ve been reading through both threads you’ve posted. You might just benefit from an experienced piano technician or even your piano teacher’s help. If you can find or have an experienced tech that knows how you play, what you love, what you can overlook, exactly what type of action you want, s/he can help you find a piano you can afford, you will love playing, and that is in good condition. My previous piano teacher regularly helped students find good pianos within their budget. Piano techs and piano teachers can help you weed out the crap and focus on what might be nice. The piano market is a strange beast. Selling budget uprights and baby grands pay the bills and keep the lights on, so it’s gonna be tough to find something good on your budget. Best of Luck!


+1 - good idea!

Re: Kawai vs yamaha conservatory grands [Re: PianoWorksATL] #2805950
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Originally Posted by PianoWorksATL
Originally Posted by kokatla
Ive had bad experience with chinese made grands. Really, really strange issues that would come up after the fact needing many tech visits. So frankly, Im skeptical.
Ok, but I've had plenty of good, average and bad experiences on the pianos you are focused on. I don't dismiss them because of a bad experience or else I would have dismissed Steinways a long, long time ago. Unfortunately, while I relate to your natural instinct, I believe some of your frustration stems from trying to chase the same pianos that so many inexperienced players are also chasing.

If you only wish to stay in this comfort zone, note the following: Price inflation on pianos in the last 10 years has been huge. What drives the price up for new also drives the price up for used. The piano market is still pretty irregular, but production of the models you are looking for was already in decline before the recession. The slightly older examples aren't "better", but there are a whole lot more of them around, so it would be easier to focus on condition rather than age, which matter more anyway.


"Unfortunately, while I relate to your natural instinct, I believe some of your frustration stems from trying to chase the same pianos that so many inexperienced players are also chasing." - S. Bennett

I don't know if I agree with that. Very experienced players have chased and have bought pianos such as a 2009 RX-2 including myself and it has served me fantastically well. I know it's not a premium piano but as a serious classic piano student I find it well meets my needs to learn even the most advanced repetoire out there. I know many undergraduate and graduate students from prominent conservatories who would have found this piano a godsend if they had access to one outside of school. I think she's on the right track with the Kawai's and Yamahas. If I were him/her I would reconsider one of the RX series Kawais along with the C series Yamahas as that appears to be in her price range especially if used. Experienced players know nor care about the piano they play it's all about making the music. Of course you don't want to be playing junk, the piano must have good tone and good action but the Yamaha C and Kawai RX series are still a good starting point for any serious piano player and their reputation for quality and reliability as workhorse pianos are unmatched in this industry.

Edit: Maybe you were referring so some of the other Chinese branded pianos (ie. junk). So I may have misinterpreted your post.

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