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Re: YAMAHA CP88
Kawai James #2805325 01/23/19 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
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We know who has the best distribution network though lol, poor Nord.


It's perhaps interesting to note that in Japan, Nord instruments are distributed by Yamaha...

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Hi James,

That is interesting...is Nord a takeover target for Yamaha, or is their relationship more like Red Bull and Torro Rosso in Formula 1 i.e., sharing UI's and other technical assets in exchange for distribution access?

Kind regards,

Doug

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Re: YAMAHA CP88
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Originally Posted by Doug M.
...is Nord a takeover target for Yamaha, or is their relationship more like Red Bull and Torro Rosso in Formula 1 i.e., sharing UI's and other technical assets in exchange for distribution access?

Kind regards,

Doug


I doubt it's either. It will be distribution access in exchange for a cut.


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Re: YAMAHA CP88
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
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We know who has the best distribution network though lol, poor Nord.

It's perhaps interesting to note that in Japan, Nord instruments are distributed by Yamaha... Cheers, James x


And before Yamaha, Nord was served by Korg, but this is common practice. People (consumers) tend to believe that we are talking about much larger industry then it really is.



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Originally Posted by EssBrace
Originally Posted by Doug M.
...is Nord a takeover target for Yamaha, or is their relationship more like Red Bull and Torro Rosso in Formula 1 i.e., sharing UI's and other technical assets in exchange for distribution access?


I doubt it's either. It will be distribution access in exchange for a cut.

I agree, a simple distribution agreement. While Yamaha is clearly not averse to European acquisitions (they bought Bosendorfer), designing the CP to be this Nord-like isn't a likely move if they were looking to buy Nord (better to maintain product distinctions between your brands), yet nothing is so Nord-specific about the CP design that they would have to compensate Nord to do what they're doing.

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Marko in Boston #2805444 01/23/19 11:20 AM
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I don’t uderstand the fuzz...

They took the cp4, added the Bosendorfer, kept the most important/used sounds, and threw all the rest of them away...
and then they added some direct controllknobs..

As said, this might be the momemt to huy a cheap cp4 if you like the yamaha sound..

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Originally Posted by Bachus
I don’t uderstand the fuzz...

They took the cp4, added the Bosendorfer, kept the most important/used sounds, and threw all the rest of them away...
and then they added some direct controllknobs..

As said, this might be the momemt to huy a cheap cp4 if you like the yamaha sound..

Yamaha can do what they want, but the significant sound selection downgrade will drive away a lot of customers (myself included). Maybe they have another product at NAMM that will fill the void.

As for the CP4, I think you'd have to be pretty desperate to pick up such a dated model.

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Originally Posted by Bachus
I don’t uderstand the fuzz...

They took the cp4, added the Bosendorfer, kept the most important/used sounds, and threw all the rest of them away...
and then they added some direct controllknobs..


"some direct control/knobs" = an entirely different way of working with the instrument, a different experience. But if you don't care about that, sure, a CP4 is still a nice board, with a lot more sounds.

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Originally Posted by R111
[As for the CP4, I think you'd have to be pretty desperate to pick up such a dated model.


This comment leads to present state of saturation. Saturation of availability, or civilization of saturation if you will.

Some DPs, even from previous two decades are even today used in recording and performing. I see them often, and depending on performer, they tend to shine. Perfectly fine to look for the latest when spending you money on next DP, but there is absolutely nothing desperate about CP4.

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Re: YAMAHA CP88
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Originally Posted by R111
Originally Posted by Bachus
I don’t uderstand the fuzz...

They took the cp4, added the Bosendorfer, kept the most important/used sounds, and threw all the rest of them away...
and then they added some direct controllknobs..

As said, this might be the momemt to huy a cheap cp4 if you like the yamaha sound..

Yamaha can do what they want, but the significant sound selection downgrade will drive away a lot of customers (myself included). Maybe they have another product at NAMM that will fill the void.

As for the CP4, I think you'd have to be pretty desperate to pick up such a dated model.


Dated?
Maybe..
But it still has the same sound engine and dsp as the cp88..

According to my info...
The only thing that changed is the way you interact with that sound engine..
But not the sounds itselves...

Re: YAMAHA CP88
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I was all set to buy the new CP-73 until I saw the Voice Selection downgrade. Now I'm going to go with the Korg GrandStage73 which has "500" voices compared to "57" in the new CP-73. Just hope the RH3 action on the Korg is acceptable. You can't beat the Yamaha feel!!
As far as the CP-4, I own one and LOVE it! The only thing it lacks is the organ sounds, and that's pretty standard with Yamaha, being primarily a "Piano" maker. Good luck finding a non-used one though!!

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pauleway #2805587 01/23/19 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by R111
Yamaha can do what they want, but the significant sound selection downgrade will drive away a lot of customers (myself included). Maybe they have another product at NAMM that will fill the void.

Originally Posted by pauleway
I was all set to buy the new CP-73 until I saw the Voice Selection downgrade. Now I'm going to go with the Korg GrandStage73 which has "500" voices compared to "57" in the new CP-73.

I can see complaining about the number of sounds immediately available.
But considering they have annouced that they will be able to upgrade and add sounds, in the future, all the whining about the total number seems silly.
Plus i would be more concerned about quality of sounds, than number.

Originally Posted by R111
As for the CP4, I think you'd have to be pretty desperate to pick up such a dated model.

even sillier


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Originally Posted by jeffscot
Originally Posted by R111
Yamaha can do what they want, but the significant sound selection downgrade will drive away a lot of customers (myself included). Maybe they have another product at NAMM that will fill the void.

Originally Posted by pauleway
I was all set to buy the new CP-73 until I saw the Voice Selection downgrade. Now I'm going to go with the Korg GrandStage73 which has "500" voices compared to "57" in the new CP-73.

I can see complaining about the number of sounds immediately available.
But considering they have annouced that they will be able to upgrade and add sounds, in the future, all the whining about the total number seems silly.
Plus i would be more concerned about quality of sounds, than number.

Originally Posted by R111
As for the CP4, I think you'd have to be pretty desperate to pick up such a dated model.

even sillier



Sound samples and resonance modeling have come a long way since 2013! If you can't tell the difference, go for it. I'm not going back to 2013 and paying 2019 dollars for it.

I'm also not falling for the pig-in-the-poke argument that someday there will be more voices, but they won't say when, how many, or even what they are. No, I want to try *before* I buy. Check-in-the-mail promises are just sleazy.

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I know you do not need hundreds of sounds, and I do agree that quality of sounds is very important, and I love the sounds on my CP-4. That said, in my opinion, they could have left a few more sound sections on (Brass - Choir - for me anyway) considering the Yamaha Organ section has always been weak at best.
If they just had a few more voices I would be pulling out my credit card today, but with the selection that's available, I'm out! And I've been a Yamaha guy for a very long time!
Pulling the trigger on the Korg GrandStage73 instead. Not waiting for future "Update" promises.

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Does Soundmondo iOS app help resolve the "extra sounds" matter? I have not looked into how that works yet.

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Marko in Boston #2805621 01/23/19 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Marko in Boston
Does Soundmondo iOS app help resolve the "extra sounds" matter? I have not looked into how that works yet.


No, but if you're willing to connect an iPhone/iPad anyway, the ability to incorporate MIDI zones into your Live Sets (user presets) means you can grab sounds from your iOS app of choice... Sampletank, whatever...

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Originally Posted by pauleway
Pulling the trigger on the Korg GrandStage73 instead. Not waiting for future "Update" promises.


Good luck in getting a Grandstage to play as well as a CP4 (or any Yamaha). I was decidedly underwhelmed by the pianos on Grandstage. The action is okay though.


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wow! impressively quick responses wink

NAMM doesn’t even start until tomorrow!
If you’re really interested in finding out about these two boards, you might at least give Yamaha a chance to flesh them out a little more at the show.
If the action is decent for piano, i may get the CP73 for a portable/travel board.


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I don't expect it to be quite as good as the CP-4, but hopefully close. Glad to hear the action is good.(We all know that sounds and touch are all personal taste anyway).
What I'm trying to do is just have one keyboard on the job for all my needs. Right now I use two, and the Korg GS looks like it might fit the bill. If I did decide on the Yamaha CP-73, I would still need two keyboards because the Yamaha organ section just does not do the trick.
Also, everything I've read and heard about the Korg GS is that it is easy to navigate and that is a good thing for us (me) who are technically challenged.
Worst senario is I can always return it if not satisfied and use my CP-4 and Nord 5HP for the gigs!
I am going to wait until NAMM is over and see what's new and get all the info before I pull the trigger.

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Originally Posted by pauleway

I am going to wait until NAMM is over and see what's new and get all the info before I pull the trigger.



...and then we have Musikmesse April 2nd. Kawai has been known to announce a few new products when the NAMM hype is over. i.e. MP7 @ 2014 & NOVUS NV10 @ 2017 wink

(I have no idea what Kawai is doing, but fun to speculate. Sorry to get OT)


Also Yamaha CP4 won the Musikmesse International Press Award (MIPA) for best Stage Keyboard 2014.

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So did anyone get a chance to try out the CP88 at NAMM 2019? Please feel free to share any first hand / hands-on opinions that you may have.



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